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Renegade 1 Or 2

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by rossbos, Jun 30, 2007.

  1. Aug 7, 2007
    Zoomer

    Zoomer eJeeper (walking)

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    I think your article is great Sparky, and I refer to it often. I think a lot of what's discussed in this thread is not covered in the article though. The transition from 1970-1971, and the transition from Renegade I to Renegade II appears to be a bit murky. Information in this thread would suggest the transition from Renegade I to II didn't neccessarily happen with the model year switchover. It appears early 1971 model Renegades had all the characteristics of Renegade I's (including Renegade I decals) with the addition of the black hood blister. Colors for the transition models appear to be more than the purple or green choices most commonly shown for Renegade I's, possibly the colors usually associated with Renegade II's? They are almost a unique Renegade in themselves.

    The question about Purple came up as Org1970CJ5 indicated he had never personally seen one or a member here having one. We know the press articles show them, but they appear quite rare as I only remember LittlePurpleCJ as having one here.

    Your work on the Renegade article is appreciated by many of us! Keep up the good work Sparky!
     
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  2. Aug 7, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I realize that there's stuff in here not covered in my article, I'm reading intently.

    Just when I see comments in here though about things that are covered in the article I wonder if new folks are using it or it's just the people that already mentioned it.

    Perhaps I need to do something for better visibility is what I should be asking rather than if people read it. Are the people looking for information on this subject finding the article easily? When someone says they never heard of a Purple Ren I and it's pictured in the article and discussed, then I'm not reaching the audience I aimed for.

    My post was too harsh, I didn't mean to come across that way. Sorry.

    It seems that somewhere alot of the time folks don't find the information on this page and ask questions in the forum or make comments about stuff that I've tried to document on this webpage. That's frustrating to me, I'm not sure how to make the information more apparent so people can find it, and it comes out from time to time.
     
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  3. Aug 7, 2007
    Renegade 1

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    I have the invoice and reciepts scanned from my 71 Ren 1 but before I try and post them here (I'm a computer novice) is there an email you would prefer to be sent to or just copy and paste here.
     
  4. Aug 7, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    PM Sent
     
  5. Aug 7, 2007
    Renegade 1

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    Email sent with attachments
     
  6. Aug 8, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I've updated the Renegade page with some more information including the receipts from Renegade 1.

    If someone has a good image of their orange Renegade I I'd appreciate it for the page.
     
  7. Aug 8, 2007
    74CJ5 Renegade

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    Thank you Sparky!! I still would like to know the reference for the 500 Renegade I's. I have just never come across that number.

    Has anyone ever heard of anyone with a 1969 462 package??? I have seen one picture of a 462 in one of my Jeep books but that is one of the few references to that package I have seen......
     
  8. Aug 8, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I'd like to know where Robert found that reference as well.

    Talking with Jim Allen, there's very little that he's found on the 462 package. He did say there were some factory photos of guys in funny helmets in a deep sand bowl in some dunes somewhere. But that was about all he had to offer.
     
  9. Aug 8, 2007
    Don X

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    Did you notice the difference between the Purchase Order and the Security Agreement? The PO shows it's a 6 cylinder and the SA shows 8 clylinders. Since it was a 71 I assume the SA has a clerical error and it was actually a 6 cylinder.
     
  10. Aug 8, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    After looking at the invoice, the Renegades sure were expensive for the size of the vehicle. My 1974 v8 Duster with power everything didn't cost quite what that thing did.
     
  11. Aug 8, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Good eye Don, I missed that, but then I was slacking at work and was doing this in a hurry. ;)
     
  12. Aug 8, 2007
    Don X

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    :oops: so was I R)
     
  13. Aug 8, 2007
    rossbos

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    I never got my question answered, is the charcoal hood stripe a decal or is it paint.
     
  14. Aug 8, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I went back and had to look to find it, you kinda buried that in there. I emphasized it in the original post. Hopefully now that it appears three times in the thread someone will chime in. :beer:
     
  15. Aug 8, 2007
    WYOMIKE

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    Paint
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  16. Aug 8, 2007
    WYOMIKE

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    I was comparing my purchase order with Renegade I purchase order and noticed some different items. Don't know if they mean anything, but did find them interesting.
    (1) Price. Thought it odd that Renegade I 's cost (with out tax's, etc. but with all the accessories) $3,982.00 in 11/16/70
    Mine, in 7/23/71, about 9 months later and with a few more items then his, only cost $3,657.00, $325.00 cheaper!
    Maybe this was a dealer difference or something, I don't know, but seemed odd.
    (2) Everywhere Renegade I's model is filled in, it just says "Renegade" whereas everywhere my model is filled in, it always says "Renegade II"
    (3) On my PO, there are no added accessories or optional equipment price adders, just the the price for a "Renegade II", yet on Renegade I's PO, all of the added Renegade extras are added to the base price. Again, this might just be the way the dealer filled things out.
    I must admitt that I have never heard of JEEP having something between the standard Renegade I and Renegade II. You don't suppose that maybe Renegade I's "Renegade I" was maybe some dealers option, and not from the factory. Maybe the dealer knew about the upcoming Renegade II's and decided to get on the bandwagon. That would explain why it has no tailgate. He just took a regular CJ-5 that was Omaha orange (JEEP Illustrated Buyer Guid, JIm Allen PP79) and made a dealer option Renegade. On the other hand, the way JEEP did things at that time, maybe it was a factory option. I do remember my dealer telling me at the time I bought it, that the Renegad II was kind of a advertising ploy. Usually the dealers receive there stock kind of by how there sales were the last year. My dealer told me that on the Renegade II's, Jeep was kind of shotgunning them all over the country for advertising and not going by last years sales. The reason he told me this was I asked him if mine sold, before I bought it, if they would they get another one in. Maybe Renegade's came under this advertising thing. Its all kind of interesting. Odds are we will never know.:)
     
  17. Aug 8, 2007
    beeser

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    rossbos - Thanks for sharing your paperwork with us. Especially interesting is how the build sheet reads. First of all, this is the first I ever heard of Hugger Orange. Also strange how the "big oil sender" is specified. Wonder if the some of the Renegades were mistakenly fitted with the standard V6 oil pressure sending unit. Wyomike might be on to something with the notation "std Jeep" and all the special equipment listing.

    Any clue what EVAP means? What item is listed just above the cigar lighter? Can't quite make it out. Also, what is a VDO Plate?

    Again, interesting stuff.
     
  18. Aug 9, 2007
    beeser

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    Did a quick google on Hugger Orange and found that it was popular Camaro color in '69. Also the color of the infamous General Lee. Strange that Jeep would've used the same color let alone give it the same name.
     
  19. Aug 9, 2007
    Renegade 1

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    WyoMike if I'm understanding you right anyway you said my Ren 1 doesn't have a tail gate. Actually it does have the tailgate.

    I wasn't sure of the Hugger Orange either but the paint code on the Jeep is 999.
     
  20. Aug 9, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    All the Renegade paint codes were 999 that I've come across.

    I should add that to the article.
     
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