Need Help Identifying What I Have

Your latest find is definitely not an Intermediate. The front fenders are too short to be an intermediate. My best guess is '70 or '71.

 

Could be a '70 or '71. The filler inset for the under-driver's-seat tank would normally rule out a '71, but it looks like the body has a hole for the rear filler too. Adding an under-seat tank as an auxilliary is a common upgrade, so that does not rule out a '71. All '71s came with the rear tank, and a '70 was the transition year, so it could have either.

One way to identify a '70 vs. a '71 is by the bellhousing. A '71 bell connects directly to the transmission, and a '70 and earlier has an adapter between the bell and transmiission.

 

So it could have the rear and under seat tanks? The tank that was taken out was an under seat. All of the lines run to an under seat tank also. I didn't see any lines running to the rear. I'm kicking myself for not getting a picture of the bell housing. I got in a hurry trying to get on the road and didnt get any pictures of the frame by itself.

I did find out it has the T14A, but the actual "t14a" stamp is on the side, not on the top like the other t14a transmission we have in the other jeep(s). I'm not sure if that's significant or not.

Did any of the pictures in my last post give any clue to the axle?


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In your pictures, the indicator of the rear tank is a hole in the passenger side rear panel above the taillight. The hole is quite distinct.

Say you owned a '70-75 Jeep with the rear tank, it was really easy to add the under-seat tank as an auxilliary. I did this to my '73, back in '73, and it was a popular upgrade at that time. Typically there will be a valve handle in the floor to switch between tanks, if you had both tanks.

The pictures don't help with the axle. You need a straight-on picture of the hub from the outside of the wheel, or you can judge for yourself looking for a big nut on the end of the axle. No nut = the desirable one-piece flanged axle. Maybe someone here can ID the axle from the back side of the hub - I cannot.

 

From the pics of the axle tube, at the backing plate, I see a flanged 44.
The tags on the cover indicate a Trac Lok as well.
If nothing has been monkeyed with.
Period correct for that year.

 

Is there a specific year on that? Or just the range of early cj's?


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You looking at the 'use limited slip oil' tag Jim? If so, the PowerLocks didn't get that?

The flanged axle was another mid-year change in 1970. Some '70s are flanged (one-piece), some are tapered (nutted). I believe all the '71s used the flanged axle. The type of limited slip differential changed with the flanged axle too, from the earlier (and stronger) Dana PowerLock to the TracLock. The TrackLock has god manners, but tends to wear out faster then the PowerLock, and is more likely to break due to impact stress (ie broken spider gears or broken case). BTDT.

 

Got it, well i saw no evidence of a tank switch. That is a hole in the back for sure, but it's just empty, nothing behind it and looks like nothing has ever been put there. Was there a cover that may have gone there at one point? I really like the idea of adding a rear tank and making the under seat tank an auxiliary, especially since I have a brand new rear tank which I bought for the other jeep. I know you posted the link earlier about installing a rear tank, I'll take another look at that.

Here is the best picture I have of the rear wheel, I don't see a nut, unless I'm missing it.


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No question - flanged axle.

These axles are desirable because the one-piece axle is stronger than the tapered/nutted axle, and they are offset to work with the Dana 18 transfer case. And they were in production for less than two years. Jeep continued with this axle in 1972, but then it was paired with the Dana 20 and no longer offset.

 

So from what you said a couple posts back, that would make it after the mid 70 change, or a 71 correct? I really need to get a picture of the bell housing, too bad I'm on shift right now, be gone for 24 hours...


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Yeah, though I don't think the different mid-year changes are coordinated in any way, ie there's no early or late '70 model. Some '70s got the upgrades, some none, some got a mix.

 

Ok, well that's good news about the flanged axle! Thanks again for the help with this, and pardon my ignorance when it comes to this stuff, I like to learn and be sure about things, sometimes I ask too many questions, so thanks for all the replies everyone.

And to confirm also, the axle is trac lock?

Will the adapter or lack of on the bell housing give a definite answer between 70 or 71?



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AFAIK all the flanged axles came with TracLock, if they had the limited slip option. It's what Jeep offered on the option list at that time. There appears to be two tags on the axle - one between the cover bolts (with the Jeep PN, axle ratio and Dana PN) and a smaller single-ended tag that says something like 'use limited slip oil.'

Also AFAIK all the '71s got the one-piece bell, and the '70s did not. I expect there are other indicators that I am not aware of.

Prior to '72, assigning an absolute model year to a CJ was somewhat arbitrary. The VIN registry may help. In 1972, Jeep started to use a more descriptive VIN scheme, that includes the model year.

And since you have the pintle hook brace, there was no rear tank with this frame. See Boyink's page that I linked to earlier - he has a good picture of what you need to remove to fit the rear tank. That would indicate a '70 or earlier, if you ahve the original frame.

 

Flanged axle came on my Oct69 built 1970.

Tail lights have been replaced. front and rear blinker lights are correct.
The hood shows no sign of the reflector mounting for an early 1970.
the dash board instrument cluster is custom.
The front hubs are not warn. I am not sure what came with which year.

 

It does have the warm hubs up front, just got home from work, got some pictures of the bell housing.




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Would I be able to find the gear ratio labeled anywhere?

And I checked the frame on the passenger side next to the engine, no stamping is visible... Are they stamped elsewhere?


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Look a little further back, just over the top of the rear spring hanger on the right side for the number stamping. You should also see another stamping on the right side frame rail near the top of the curve over the rear axle.
That bellhousing looks like a '70, it uses the separate cast iron adapter for the T14 transmission. However, I have never seen one with an inspection cover like showing in your photo. It looks newer (less corroded) than the rest of the bellhousing so I would suspect a PO mod to add that little cover.
Is the hole cleanly cut underneath that cover? Or does it look like it was broken out?

Don

 

If it's a transplant, it's a tidy one. A F134 came with the T90 all the way to the end. Maybe it's converted with factory parts.

There's no VIN on the title? And you did not find a VIN plate on the driver's side firewall?