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Dana 18 Input Shaft/Gear Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by j54mitsu, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. Aug 22, 2011
    j54mitsu

    j54mitsu Member

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    Does anyone happen to have details about the 10 spline Dana 18 Input shaft or gear? (Novak says it was used from '68-71 behind the Buick V6s).

    In particular I'm looking for where the input shaft and input gear mesh: the diameter (outside and inside the toughs (that's probably bad terminology)), the general shape (involute or flat), width of the splines.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Aug 22, 2011
    jeep2003

    jeep2003 Well-Known Member

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    well i believe the t86aa is a 6 spline and the t14 is 10. Atleast the ones iv seen.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2011
    j54mitsu

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    Yes, the T14
     
  4. Aug 22, 2011
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I believe Novak has a page that gives the specs on the bull gears.
     
  5. Aug 22, 2011
    j54mitsu

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    nickmil

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    Novak's site has the gear numbers. You have to dig for them but they have a chart showing that info. They don't show the spline depth or pressure angles though

    Why do you need this info? I might be able to help with depth and width of splines but not angles. This would be measurements from used gears however so understand there may be some variation from a new gear
     
  7. Aug 23, 2011
    j54mitsu

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    Trying to sort out a Mitsu-jeep mix-mash thing. The tcase is a 1-1/4" intermediate shaft Dana 18 clone. Here's the mix-mash: it has a 30 tooth input gear and a 10 spline input shaft.

    I am trying to determine if the Japanese input shaft would properly mate to a 18-8-50, 947382 (US 10 spline) input gear; or what would be involved to allow them to mate.

    In the hopes of being able to swap in a US tcase (or its gearset) to make future parts easier, as well as to be able to find a cheaper used overdrive. Also, in general to be prepared on my options should my trans or tcase meet an unfortunate demise.
     
  8. Aug 23, 2011
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    It may just be easier to not worry about what you have - scrounge a new tranny/tcase on the cheap and build it to replace what you have. With a little patience I have found tranny/tcases for $100 in surprising good shape. A little tune up and your back to US stock and in good shape.
     
  9. Aug 23, 2011
    nickmil

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    Might contact Herm as he developed an overdrive for the Mitsubishi so could probably answer all these questions
     
  10. Aug 24, 2011
    j54mitsu

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    I'll gladly take the measurements off the used gears if you're willing. It'll be close enough to get the idea...

    That's my back up plan. But if there is a gear match, or only a small mod needs to be done to the JP transmission to use a US tcase, then I'd like to keep my 4 speed. Also who knows if it'd just be trading one headache for another, for instance the trans has an integral bellhousing and I have no fab skills. The tcase and trans both appear to be in great shape and it would seem like a horrible waste until something breaks.


    I asked him earlier this year when I first started looking at ODs, but he skipped over the specific difference between the Mitsu and US 10 spline. I kinda regret not re-asking for the details, but it seems like a common gear so I was hoping that someone in the community would happen to know its measurements before I bothered Herm again.

    There's a guy on the 3b page, Galen, with a mixed Mitsu/US drivetrain. He didn't do the work himself, so he doesn't know specifics. If this is the case, then it implies that there is no functional difference between the Mitsu and US shaft to gear meshing. There could be something to explain why, like he's using pre-68ish Mitsu parts which would be identical to the US parts. Anyways...
     
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