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D44 Rear Drum Brakes

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by ShowMeGuy, May 27, 2009.

  1. May 27, 2009
    ShowMeGuy

    ShowMeGuy ShowMeGuy (MO) 1966 CJ5

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    I didn't take the pictures I should have during my removal so now I have a few questions. Does the picture below look correct for 11" 1966 CJ5 brakes on a Dana 44 with tapered axles? Specifically I'm having trouble with te shoe retainer things... PITA.. and are the shoes placed correctly since they look pretty much the same but the one on the rear looks different as far as the padding....

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    Does it look like there is anything missing etc as I took good care of keeping parts marked and this is all that was on it when I removed them.

    ShowMeGuy
     
  2. May 27, 2009
    timgr

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    Short lining shoe (primary shoe) to the front.
     
  3. May 27, 2009
    cookieman

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    On the first pic the one on the left is on the right way. the one on the right side shoe is on the wrong way.....I am talking about the retainer clip..
     
  4. May 27, 2009
    ShowMeGuy

    ShowMeGuy ShowMeGuy (MO) 1966 CJ5

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    mmmk... that helps on the shoes and confirmed how the clips work but man those clips are a PITA.
     
  5. Jun 1, 2009
    47willys

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    Ludel says that the longer shoe faces the front on these drums and the Willys service manual says the same. I can also find other references that contradict this and put the longer shoe to the rear. I wonder if it really matters and what is the way the engineers intended it to be?
     
  6. Jun 1, 2009
    mike starck

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    SHORT SHOE FRONT always.
    this is how bendix brakes work.there is always an acception ,but not this time,at least not on a jeep.btw nice job.everything very clean.is it possiple that the newer style brake shoe retainers would work.someone will probably proof me wrong but all the years i worked on automobiles i can't recall a time when you put the short shoe on the rear.not trying to be an expert just throwing out some scenerios.
    mikes.
     
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  7. Jun 1, 2009
    Vanguard

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    Your missing all of the self-adjusting hardware.
     
  8. Jun 2, 2009
    timgr

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    Spring across the top of the star wheel indicates a manual adjusting type. These look like Utility truck brakes, not the later self-adjusting types.
     
  9. Jun 2, 2009
    nickmil

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    Duo servo style brakes like those (commonly referred to as Bendix style) have the short shoe to the front.
    Single leading shoe style (ones anchored on one end) can have the short shoe to the rear or may have the same length friction material on both shoes. These are the older Lockheed style (cam adjustment style) and are sometimes found on more modern vehicles, especially on the rear of front wheel drive vehicles or on light duty trucks.
     
  10. Jun 2, 2009
    ShowMeGuy

    ShowMeGuy ShowMeGuy (MO) 1966 CJ5

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    I got the brake shoes flipped and the clips on. Put the drum on now just need to get the other side done. Anyone know where I could find some of the little rods that go into the brake cylinder and around the shoe? I've seemed to have mis-placed it and the little bowtie part that holds the shoe back from teh springs...
     
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