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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by bkd, Jun 15, 2007.

  1. Jun 15, 2007
    bkd

    bkd Moderator Supreme Staff Member 2022 Sponsor

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    Naw thats alright...least wise I'm not alone in my confusion:)
    Jim S.
     
  2. Jun 15, 2007
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I went with the 465, 4.88s and OD on 33's. With the OD in it gives you the equivelent of 3.9 ' s in the axles. The great thing about the OD and 465 is it allows you to run a taller gear to get the speed you want on the highway and still get geared down wheeling if needed. We are doing the same with the 6 Project we are starting. HERE is a grid that shows some RPMs at gear and tire size - though at 65. 2588 RPM in OD at 65 and a 78.63 crawl ratio when I need it works for me... Just find a combo that you want on the high end and then look to see what you can make on the low end.
     
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    Boyink

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    This was actually me, hitting the wrong button...:rofl:
     
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    Boyink

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    Just fyi...someday..waaaay down the road I can foresee swapping a 700R4 into SSDutch. While I'm enjoying the low-first gear of the T-18 there isn't much use for it here in W. MI. I'd like the driveability of the automatic and the OD much would be better for the mostly street/sand/two-track use the Jeep will see.

    Not to mention it'd be a whole lot more driveable by MsBoyink - and would let us trade cars if need be.
     
  5. Jun 15, 2007
    bkd

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    great link...thank you
    Jim S.
     
  6. Jun 15, 2007
    bkd

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    Yep I caught that...its gonna be a tough decision, I really would rather have a 4 speed, but a 700r4 is a intriguing possibility. All this great info...my head really hurts now:D
    Jim S.
     
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    Boyink

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    Build it with the 700R4, then we'll swap Jeeps...R)
     
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    So you are coming out west for a visitR)
    Jim S.
     
  9. Jun 16, 2007
    66cj5

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    I would regear to the 4.27 gears with the 4.3l/700r4 combo. It would be the best of both worlds, decent crawl ratio (if you need it) with your needed 70mph.

    IF you plan on running those speeds, I would invest in saginaw steering with a colaspible(sp?) steering column and 3pt belts. tooo many fools out there to risk your safety, because they don't value there life.
     
  10. Jun 16, 2007
    windyhill

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    :iagree: x2!

    You have an overdrive and a really clean looking stock cj6 . If you want a little more power, I'd go with a 225:v6: and a sm465 or T-18. I'm running this combo 225, t18, OD, 5:38's in my cj3b and love it. If you use stock v6 motor mounts etc. you can make it look like a factory setup. I would run your stock axles for now with a 11"drum conv. in the back and discs up front. my dana 25 hasn't broke yet.
    My current project is a 57 cj6 with 5:38's, I swapped in dana30 with detroit truetrac, working on herms PS conversion, 225:v6:, SM465, Overdrive, duel pto's w/addapter, (front PTO winch, rear PTO?) 2.5" lift, and prob. 33X9.5X16 SS on stock rims.
     
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    Boyink

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    Oh, I gotta come to you? I see how ya are...R)
     
  12. Jun 21, 2007
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    So one of the options I've come across in my search for a build...t-19 mated w/ a 4.3. The t-19 is a 4speed ,full syncro, advance adapt makes a adapter.
    With the hi/lo on my d18 this could work...what do ya'll think?
    Jim S.
     
  13. Jun 21, 2007
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    If I had a CJ6 with that extra long wheel base and wanted something that would get up to speed on the freeway this is what I would run. I would get rid of the dana 18 and get a dana 20 (runs better for high way use), replace the offset 44 with a centered flanged dana 44, put in some lower gears in the dana 20 and then match gear ratio for running down the Hwy. Yet, you would have a low range dana 20 for off road use. And, I would use the SM 465 because it would bolt up to the 4.3 without an adapter, or if I was going the automatic route I would use the 700r4. In these inflated times this is just my $5.00 worth of advise!!!
     
  14. Jun 21, 2007
    timgr

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    The T-19 is essentially a T-18 with a synchro for 1st gear. The Novak site has some info, and Novak sells an adapter too: http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/t18_t19.htm You'll need an adapter between the transmission and transfer case, and you'll need to adapt the Chevy bellhousing to the Ford transmission. The consensus here is to choose the Novak product over Advance, if it's available.

    A T-19 can be had with 3 different 1st gear ratios - 6.32:1, 5.1:1 and 4.0:1 - so if you want a close-ratio heavy-duty 4-speed transmission, the T-19 would be a good way to go. The T-19 is still going to shift like a truck transmission... unless you want the close ratio transmission, I don't see much advantage of the T-19 over the T-18.

    hth!
     
  15. Jun 21, 2007
    Mcruff

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    Sounds to me like you need an NV4500, 5 speed. This will fit nicely in your cj6 due to the extra length, it will also have an overdrive and a granny 1st gear. Don't know if they make a dana 18 conversion for it though.
     
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    bkd

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    Thanks for the input guys.......more to chew on.
    It may come down to what kind of deal I find on parts, or on a donor rig. It seems that here in so-cal parts are sold like a precious metal, and donors are few n far between. My search has turned up lots in the south and on the east coast...hum....maybe a road trip to see relatives is in orderR)
    Jim S.
     
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    Parts availability issues not that surprising to me. Seems Western vehicles probably don't get parted out as often. The sheet metal is still good. Here in the Midwest, and east of us, there are plenty of jeeps that have rusted to nothing, but hard parts mostly are still salvageable. I always said I was going to road trip to southwest to buy an old jeep, to avoid rust.... But then I stumbled across my '6 and I have my own rustbucket. Oh well.
     
  18. Jun 21, 2007
    bkd

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    OK hypothetical question....just exploring options here
    I have access to several 4x4 cheby S10's, 4.3, auto/od, etc...looks like the track is 4-5 wider than the 6. Doe's it make any sense to take ALL the running gear, motor, trans, TC, axles , brakes(drum/disc), master cylinder, ps, and swap it over to the jeep?
    I have access to the shop, tools, lift, etc...just thinkin
    Jim S.
     
  19. Jun 21, 2007
    Mcruff

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    Front axle on an s10 is independant, its not a straight axle and it would be a complete pain in the butt to do anything with it and would give you terrible offroad use if you did get it done. You could however take the entire engine and auto trans and adapt it to your dana18 and have a decent setup.
     
  20. Jun 21, 2007
    bkd

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    good info...thanks
    I'm about 95% sure I'm gonna go with the 4.3/700r combo, swap out to 4.27 gearing, ps/pb....I just keep stirrin the pot till I latch on
    Jim S.
     
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