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New project, 52' m38a1

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by xalexjx, Oct 10, 2006.

  1. Oct 10, 2006
    xalexjx

    xalexjx New Member

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    i knows its not a cj'5 but its the best section i could find to put it under,

    ok i have a 1952 m38-a1, completly stock, my plans are to lift it, a v8 swap and restore it (brake lines, brakes, bearings, new rims/tires,

    ok iv been looking for a 4 inch lift and havnt found one yet, will an early cj5 lift work?

    also for some power i was looking at a 302 small block, whats the best motor for it (also easiest to install), also what would i run for a transfercase and tranny, im going to leave the dana 44 in the rear, looking at maby a dana 30 for the front but i think the dana 27 will be ok for a while, for tires im not going to go anything larger then a 33inch,

    this is its current condition, im currently working on stripping it down to the frame for some sand blasting,

    http://myspace-984.vo.llnwd.net/01159/48/99/1159769984_l.jpg

    also i have steel doors for it i might be thinking about selling as im going topless
     
  2. Oct 10, 2006
    CD60

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  3. Oct 11, 2006
    xalexjx

    xalexjx New Member

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    thanks, still looking for a lift though
     
  4. Oct 11, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    With that much body lift you are going to run into MAJOR fitment problems. Like as in pedles through the floor and the steering colum since it is hardmounted to the frame with the rossbox. I would suggest getting a suspention lift and forget the body lift since anything over 1 inch invites major work.
     
  5. Oct 11, 2006
    CD60

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    Black Diamond makes a 3" suspension lift for your JEEP.
     
  6. Oct 11, 2006
    mruta

    mruta I drank with Billy!

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    Welcome to the board. Since someone didn't already mention it, you might find it helpful to list your location. It's likely that you have a member nearby.

    Anyway, I too have a M38A1, either a 1952 or 53. Any of the early CJ5 suspension systems will work on your A1, even if it still has the factory the shackle reversal. I have a 4" Superlift suspension on mine. There is no universally agreed upon best (or easiest) engine to swap into one of these Jeeps. On this site, most people will try to steer you to running a V6 in your Jeep. I have a Chevy 4.3L V6 with a Muncie SM420 4 speed transmission in mine.

    Even a "simple" V6 engine swap in your A1 will likely lead to you major mods to the steering, brakes and drivetrain systems so your choice of powerplant is really a matter of preference.

    Good luck with your project!
     
  7. Oct 11, 2006
    hotrod351

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    i found a 4 inch trailmaster lift for my 55 M38a1 on ebay. worked out great, even still using the old bell crank steering. i had a heel of an angle on the tie rods but no bump-steer or steering problems. i since went with power steering, best thing i ever put on my old willys.
     
  8. Oct 12, 2006
    HortonHearsAWhoJeep

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    Just be sure to be a gentlemen & make sure any of the original military parts you take off find a good home with someone restoring their's back to military . . . hate to see all the little military doodads go to waste, as they're so hard to find. Ditto on the body lift, I would only do 1" max on the body & only if you have to . . . get your lift out of the suspension, you'll need to keep the body as low on the frame as possible anyway with 4" lift on that short wheelbase . . . my 2 cents, & keep the pictures coming!
     
  9. Oct 13, 2006
    xalexjx

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    i wasnt planning on a body lift, i was planning on a 4inch suspension as i will only need new leaf springs, one of my friends has an amc 302, he said i could have it, should i run the orig transfercase/ tranny or change that too?
     
  10. Oct 13, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Re: New proect, 52' m38a1

    The AMC is likely a 304. (302 is a Ford engine).

    It will fit, with some shoehorning. Probably need some grille/radiator mount mods.
    A V6 is a better fit :twisted:

    The T90 tranny can be OK behind a V8 if you're easy on it.
    It won't last long with a heavy foot/big tires.
    The D18 transfer is OK behind the V8. If you decide on a tranny swap to one of the heavy duty truck trannies (SM420, T18, etc) consider going to a big-hole D18, with the bigger intermediate shaft.
    See www.Novak-adapt.com for tranny/transfer and engine swap info/adapters. (click knowledge base)
    If your rig has the 5.38 axle gears, you might want to consider adding an overdrive to help your rig at highway speeds.
    Check
    www.hermtheoverdriveguy.com for overdrives, and some other nifty products.
    HTH, and welcome aboard!! :beer:
     
  11. Oct 13, 2006
    xalexjx

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    also, is the hard top and steel doors, are they aftermarket, or was it an officers jeep or something>>>>>?thanks

    edit: also i noticed the rear axle is on the top side of the springs, would it be a good or bad idea to put the axle on the bottom side?
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    i found a 4" super lift kit through jc whitney for 620$ with shocks, the only problem it says 55-75 so im not sure if itll fit the 52, im assuming it will but im not sure,
     
  12. Oct 13, 2006
    xalexjx

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    ill post more pics tommarow
     
  13. Oct 13, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    Yeh it will fit. Most companys forget the M38A1 ever existed and think the 5 started in 55

    Spring over is a bad idea IMHO it just brings more problems.
     
  14. Oct 14, 2006
    xalexjx

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    yeah, i was looking at the front and that will cause lots of problems, +the military springs are way to stiff for offroading imo, (wont get any flex)

    also what rims fit it, i had some extra rims off my tj and the center hole is way to small,
     
  15. Oct 14, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    But the 5 did start in 55. Well, the first model year. ;)
     
  16. Oct 14, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Welcome from Pittsburgh, PA!

    You have the start of a nice little project there. I would seriously rethink the idea of the 4" lift though, because the driveshaft is already very short and you will definitely have some vibration issues to work out with that much lift. A 2.5" BDS lift is very popular, and it will give you the clearance for 33/34-inch tires.

    Good luck on your project, and keep posting pics. We likey pictures here! :D
     
  17. Oct 14, 2006
    xalexjx

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    how are pro comp lifts? im looking at a 2.5"
     
  18. Oct 17, 2006
    xalexjx

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    im ordering brake lines some time this week and cant find any complete sets for it? will the ones from a 55< cj5 work?
     
  19. Oct 17, 2006
    michigan_pinstripes

    michigan_pinstripes I'm not lost, I'm wandering

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    2.5" lift + .5 lift shackles -- leave axles mounted stock position. 32 or 33" tires. This is the setup on both of mine in avatar above (32's on CJ5).
     
  20. May 26, 2008
    xalexjx

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    ok lost interest in this for a while and finally got back to it with all new plans.. (built an xj last year on 33's locked)

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    Ill get more info on the build up tomorrow!

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    Down to the frame now
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