Real Renegade ?

O.K. guys/gals..........is this really a Renegade or a clone ?

Looks to be in pretty good condition. I'd like to see some under-hood shots and dash shots......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep...mZ4642321155QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#mainImage

 

In those years it would be hard to tell from the photos alone. It more than likely is as Renegades were quite common by then.

 

I don't think the white/blue scheme was available in 1975. Ask the seller for the paint and trim codes from the VIN plate and compare them to the Renegade paint & trim from the factory parts manual. Here's the best I can do - http://autocolorlibrary.com/cgi-bin/search/searchpic.pl?1975-jeep-pg01.jpg only shows Renegade Blue and Orange, but there could have been a white one... I just don't remember seeing any.

Recall that, after 1971, all the options from the Renegade package were available from the regualr options list ... only the colors, stripes and wheels were special.

 

I do know that the intermediate Renegades, '72-'75 were available in Red with black stripe and yellow with black stripe. There's a guy that's local that has one of each who bought them brand new and claims they have never been repainted. Looking at all the signs of age and what not I'd definitely have to believe him. He's a well known Jeeper around here from the 60's and '70's. I'm not sure if those colors were specific to a certain year though which is possible. I can't remember specifically what years his were but are definitely intermediates. Nickmil

 

Opinion....

I think it is.... a late 75... because of the hood stripe... think stripe that is on hood is not quite right... maybe a repro...

'think' it would have had aluminum wheels originally though...


early 75 have same stripe as 74, but the lower legs of side stripe on cowl were angled back instead of straight down... also the "jeep" is lower on 75's than 74's....


as far as colors... there were quite a few colors as I remember when these were new...

mellow yellow, renegade yellow, renegade plum (purple), red, white, ......

 

I believe it is not.
Althought the pattern of the decal for 1975 appears correct, the word "RENEGADE" appears too small, too far back on the hood, and does not break the pair of small, blue colored horizontal stripes at it should.
Also this decal is all shades of blue; book says it should be blue and orange, or blue and red ; and that info is for the Levi Renegade model.
Solid back panel..no help..optional for any CJ that year
dash gauges..no help...std on any CJ that year
tachometer...no help...available as a CJ option, not just Reneagde
seat upholstery... no help...have been recovered a couple times
padded dash...here's a clue....the only padded dashes offered for 1975 in blue are...blue Levi trim...is this dash a blue Levi dash?
Levi trims should all be Renegades..
was the Renegade offered in blue or tan Levi only ?
the trim code may be the only way to tell as Tim mentioned
trim code for blue Levi is T-500
if it is a Levi code, then I think it is a Renagade

 

looks like an aftermarket job to me you can pull up pics of mine it has never been touched .do not look alike at all. there is a renegade package if you have the option list mine was power steering step pads tilt wheel and trailering package

 

Just going on what I have seen and read about the Renegades, it looks to me like a clone. Your best bet is to see if you can get some vin info on it though, because from my experience nothing would surprise me about the old Jeeps so it could be real.

 

there are additional pics.. click the link at the bottom of the auction images...


aftermarket tach it appears....

levi's interior had 'levi's' buttons ...... think these are just covers... also 'levi' edition had other markings on exterior (decals)


agree on hood markings.... note i said maybe a repro above...

i thought dash pad was a clue also...

agree on trim code/vin research.....

 

do any of you guys know where to get any info on number of levis renegades built ?i would love to find out if i have a collecter or driver.

 

I new about a dozen guys back in high school that had Levi's Jeeps, I work with a guy that has a 77 model now. I have a Levi's rear seat in my jeep. I don't think they would be a collectors unit there were 1000's built over the years they ran the production. A 75 and 78 Renegade would be totally different looking comparing the 2.

 

No, it's not a Renegade. Stripe is wrong. It does have a padded dash. (click on "additional pictures" for interior shots) Also, the VIN is incorrect. Digits 1-5 are OK, 6,7,8 dont jive with the body style, type or engine code. Its a CJ5. Thats all you can say.

 

like comparing apples to oranges...

 

the VIN is correct for a 75 CJ5 304......
the VIN won't help anyway as far as Renegade model is concerned....

 

With regard to the paint color, my CJ has trim code 501 (tan levi vinyl), but the paint code is 514 (fawn beige)...so, maybe the Renegade package could be ordered in different colors as was the case with the Levi's? I have an old advertisement saying that the Levi's interior package in tan or blue was an option for regular CJ-5's.

 

Maybe I can shed some light on this. My scanner is down at the moment, so I can't post it right away, but I am looking at my Dealer Ordering Book for 1975, and it looks like just about any of the Renegade options were available on a base CJ, even the Aluminum wheels! As for colors, you could get any color you wanted on the Renegade, but Renegade Orange or Blue could not be ordered on a base CJ. The Levis interior was not exclusive to the Renegade either. You could also get a black or white soft top on a Renegade in '75, not just the blue or tan. As for "early" and "late" stripes, a Renegade would have to be a pretty early ' 75 to get the old black stripes, as my '75 was built in October '74 and had the color stripes I still have the hood with the original paint and decal. The stripe on his hood appears to be painted with pinstripe tape and vinyl lettering on it. I would say that comparing this Jeep to mine, it could very possibly be a Renegade, but who can say for sure, as there is nothing in the VIN. I personally wouldn't care, as I don't feel there is enough value difference at this time for it to matter if it is or not. I'll try and scan pages of this book when I get my scanner going.

 

Thanks for the input on the stripes....

Is it possible a mid-year change occurred?

The 74 renegade i owned and purchased new had the straight down stripes....

the 75 my neighbor purchased new had the angled stripe..... (heck at least i thought it was a 75...)

take a look here....
http://www.goldeneagledecals.com/renegade.html

the '74 shown on the site is like my neighbor's .... note how the 'jeep' is lower on the side...
compare that with the yellow renegade shown sometimes at the top of the pages on these forums....

my 74 was like that........

should we start a new thread on stripes?

hey.. just wanna learn more...

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I know its been a year since the last post but one thing sees to be over looked that I didnt see anyone comment on is the fact that the tub didnt have a tailgate. I have had a 70 R1 a 71 R2 and a 78 Renagade and all didnt have a tailgate. I may be wrong but all Renagade's were tailgate delete.