Ebrake questions.

Hello all. I noticed in the "For Sale" forum, that there is a D18 emergency brake set for sale. What is the difference between a D18 and a Spicer 18? I have a 1953 M38a1 with stock transmisson/transfer case. Would that ebrake work for my buggy?

Thanks for any help.

Dondo

 

nothing the name of the company is/was dana spicer

 

i believe all d18s use the same parking brake setup.
(d18 is the same as dana/spicer 18)

if you need the parts, get them from mike for sure!

chris

 

Cool. Thanks guys. I'm going to try and get them.

Dondo

 

IIRC the parent company is now called Dana, and uses the Spicer name. Spicer originally patented the universal joint. His company grew into Dana Corp.

 

Be aware that there are different D18 set-ups, especially with MB/ M38-A1; civi Jeeps should be all the same (factory).
there is an external band setup that uses a different drum,rear output housing, and speedo gears. I believe these are rare, but they do exist.
In order to make Boyinks work, you may have to obtain a different rear D18 output housing . Then it all should work. Not trying to hurt Mike here, just want you to be aware.
Of course, we don't know what you currently have, and over time, and POs, anything is possible.
Can you provide pic/more info as to what is currently on the Jeep?
FYI

 

Let me snap a pic for you. As far as I know, everything is origional. But then again, it has had a Buick 3.8 slapped in as well as an 11" brake conversion. So, I suppose it's possible that it might be a little different.

You just want a pic of the back side of the transfer case?

 

Here are some shots. Kinda greasy..

http://members.cox.net/mtbiker70/Jeep/transfer.JPG

http://members.cox.net/mtbiker70/Jeep/transfer (1).JPG

http://members.cox.net/mtbiker70/Jeep/transfer (2).JPG

http://members.cox.net/mtbiker70/Jeep/transfer (3).JPG

http://members.cox.net/mtbiker70/Jeep/transfer (4).JPG

Dondo

 

Any idea what that little shaft is?

 

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, that's a mount for the e-brake hardware. I have the same thing - but who knows what my x-fer case is from? The shoes on my e-brake ride on the outside of the drum - so it is definitely different than the CJ stuff I've seen. I have all the pieces - but took them off the jeep 2 years ago.

You talkin' about this:

 

Ijspop -- so basically, the drum brake that Mike is offering won't work for my application.

Correct?

Dondo

 

I believe Herm just sold an M38 band style parking brake assembly on eBay. I remember him telling me he was going to list it, but I'm not sure if it sold. Even if it did, I might be able to get some pics for you.

 

vanguard -- that would be great. I'm going to google around for some pics as well.

Dondo

 

Dondo,

Well - unfortunately I only have one half of the equation. I can tell you what that shaft is for - it's for the M38 (M38A1 also??) style parking brake. The part of the equation I can't offer is will the CJ parts work. Based on what Jim said (and I know he knows what he's talkin' about) - I don't think it will. I don't know how big the CJ drum is or how the CJ stuff mounts though.

Anyhow - I can snap some pics of the stuff I have as well to give you an idea of what you may be missing.

Bob

 

Dondo : you do have the odd housing I was refering to.....so does Bob...go figure
if Bob has all the components, it will work; this is one of the external type.
What's required to make Boyinks work, is the other housing; they should be readily available, used or otherwise.
sorry for stirring up trouble here

EDIT: you also would need the shorter speedo driven gear, where the cable attaches; they are tough to find
the 2 different housings have 2 different pivot points for the arm that pulls the shoes ...and different arms as well

 

Thanks jpflat2a -- I think I'll just keep this ebrake project on the back burner for awhile. I still have steering and suspension to work on (not to mention someone to paint it for me). Just thinking though, my '53 has had 11" brakes put on it. (from a 70's CJ I think). Would those drums have ebrakes built into them? The pedal kind perhaps? I wonder how I can figure that out...

Thanks for all the help everyone. Saved me $25 worth of brakes that would have just sat on my tool bench until I figured out what to do with them.

Dondo

 

Dondo,

The e-brake assembly Herm is selling is an MB type with a band that closes around a drum.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7951994139&category=33564


Apparently, there are 3 different types of brake assemblies used on Dana 18s.

The first is the MB type listed in Herm's ad.
The second is a drum type with one internal shoe and one external shoe (no picture yet).
The third is the later model most of us are familiar with. (See mikes ad).

I suspect you need the middle type.

Jim, I don't think Mike this is upsetting Mike as I'm sure he would want Dondo to get the right parts.