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Best Generator rebuild

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by mayday, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. Jun 15, 2013
    mayday

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    Hi all,

    Time to get my 6 volt generator rebuilt any one have advice on who does the best rebuild? 57 CJ5 Auto-lite

    Thanks

    Jon
     
  2. Jun 15, 2013
    uncamonkey

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    If it only needs a bushing, bearing and brushes I'd say do it yourself, if you are up to it, might be a 2 hour job.
    If it died then I would say to look in the phone book for a place that rebuilds them using your old housing, armature, etc. so everything that is in your Jeep is origional, if that matters to you.
    I don't know where you are, you might try to update your signature so somebody in your area may give you a hint.
     
  3. Jun 15, 2013
    mayday

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    I'm game for trying but have not found anything but bushings for parts. My CJ has a low output. Amp light on, Battery at 6.25 to 6.32 while it's running.
    As for updating my Signature I don't know how, I'm not a computer savy person.
     
  4. Jun 16, 2013
    uncamonkey

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    Here in town I have 3 places that rebuild your old units if that is your desire.
    I know of 2 places that still have the old paper books under the shelf to look up outdated parts, and they can get them.
    It's possible that the regulator is bad from your description, or the generator
    Or it could be some bad wires or bad ground.
    Don't just start throwing parts in without doing some tests, it gets real expensive if you do this and probably won't fix it..
    Try searching here for some old posts or try a search on the CJ3B site, this has been covered many times.
    Start at making sure all of the wireing is good, includind the grounds.

    As far as updating your signature, you need to go back to the forum page and look for a window that takes you back to your personal info site, then update.
     
  5. Jun 16, 2013
    termin8ed

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    Delco 1 wire with a 6 volt conversion8)
    I know peopl have had good luck with the generators but I havent.
    Get a woerking used gm 1 wire alt and get a convertion kit. Then make up the brackets. It'll probably be around the same cost
     
  6. Jun 16, 2013
    PeteL

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    If it's just low output worrying you, throw a set of brushes in it, and polish the commutator.

    First, make sure it isn't the fanbelt being loose and slipping. And what Uncamonkey said.
     
  7. Jun 16, 2013
    mayday

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    I've done all the tests Generator will not put out more than 6 volts. Only reason I was going to send it in for rebuild was I can't find parts. None of the Parts stores by were I live can look up anything, if it's not on a computer than they can't look it up. I found one place that does rebuilds near were i'm at and they said about 300 for a rebuild. Does anyone have the part numbers for the bearings, bushings, springs, and brushes for a autolite generator?

    Jon
     
  8. Jun 16, 2013
    uncamonkey

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    Get the numbers off of the plate that is rivited to the frame of the generator.
    I'll try to get by the closest shop tomorrow to see if they have any info on it.
     
  9. Jun 16, 2013
    PeteL

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    $300 bucks is ridiculous.
    Last time I had a full rebuild it was an ancient electric motor shop, down behind the railroad sheds. You gotta find the old-timers.

    Failing that, Hemmings Motor News has ads for experts on anything you can imagine restoring, and you'd certainly find someone there, But at what cost I don't know.
     
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  10. Jun 17, 2013
    givemethewillys

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    Where are you located? I've had one from my '57 up in my shed for the last 10+ years, it could be yours for $50!

    When I was in high school there was an alternator shop that did starter motor and alternator/generator rebuilds. It was somewhere in Northern Massachusetts, maybe tyngsboro or Chelmsford? You could try a google search if you're set on rebuilding.
     
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  11. Jun 17, 2013
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    termin8ed

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    just out of curiosity, what is it supposed to have for an output?

    Try using a volt meter and test for voltage drops at all the connections. Battery terminal to cable clamp. It may look like they are one since they touch but a dirty terminal can drop a half a volt easy. half volt here and there on 6 volt system adds up. Check the generator and cable there too.
     
  13. Jun 17, 2013
    Glenn

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    You haven't said whether or not you made sure the fan belt is not slipping at all. Does the charging voltage change from idle to above idle speed......say, half throttle?
     
  14. Jun 18, 2013
    mayday

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    My service manual say's the generator should put out 7-8 volts. I have checked generator output at different rpms and still no more than 6 volts. I pulled the generator yesterday had it bench tested only 6 volts there to. All my wiring for generator to voltage regulator etc reads little resistance in wires. I found that Rockauto has bearings, bushings, and brushes for sale ordered today. I'm going try rebuilding it this weekend. I looked at Walcks too, but me being on the west coast means my turn around is 2-3 weeks. I also think that the "old timers" are not around in my area. I only found one place that rebuilds generators around. Seems that like other things, somethings are becoming a lost art. Thanks for all the advice I will update after this weekend.

    Jon
     
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    mayday

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    duffer

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    Another option would be Powermaster's Powergen-an alternator in a generator shell. I believe Garage Gnome put one on one of his flatties. However, they run $400 +
     
  17. Jun 19, 2013
    termin8ed

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    I seem to remember that mine had to be spinning the gen at 1000rpms. Generator speed not engine before it would do anything.
     
  18. Jun 19, 2013
    blevisay

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    you do know how to polarize the field...........right?

    I have to ask why stay with the generator when a Delco SI swap works very well.
     
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    PeteL

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    Why swap when a generator works well? At least mine has, for 56 years so far...
     
  20. Jun 20, 2013
    termin8ed

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    nothing wrong if they stay working.
    I rebuilt mine and less than a year later it died again. Wasn't worth it to me to sink the money into another rebuild when I could swap over to an alternator that had no problem charging when you where idling or going slow.

    someone posted a link for a 6v alt conversion. I think it was in the off topic because I was talking about converting the generator on my old tractor. Just trying to give advice and a possible alternative.
    If you want it completely stock, go for the gen rebuild.
    If you don't care, I personally recommend putting the money into an alt. Get a used one and convert it. Think the conversion kit came with all the internals and was around $40. Get a used gm 1 wire and make a bracket and you should be in for less than $100. Cost me more than that to get my gen rebuilt.
     
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