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Four Wheel Disc and Rear Full Floater - Parts and Estimate

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by davistroy, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. Sep 24, 2009
    davistroy

    davistroy Grasshopper

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    Take a look at this and see if I've missed anything or if anyone has any advice. The local prices include Tax, and the caliper prices include core charges. Don't let my wife see this.

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    Thanks,

    Troy
     
  2. Sep 24, 2009
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    chnaces are you will only need one shim pack for the king pin bearings.
    also, the new wheel hubs should come with races/cones installed.
    there are other items there that can be purchased for less if one looks around, but for the most part you have it covered.
     
  3. Sep 24, 2009
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Leave no paper trail. That is first and foremost for a married man buying Jeep parts.[/FONT]
     
  4. Sep 24, 2009
    bkd

    bkd Moderator Supreme Staff Member 2022 Sponsor

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    exactly what I was thinking when I saw that R)
    Jim S.
     
  5. Sep 24, 2009
    davistroy

    davistroy Grasshopper

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    I'm learning guys, slowly. She is on the credit card transaction download in Quicken like flies on cow ca-ca. Categorization - "Blown Money - Jeep". I am sure we will have new bed linens, pillows, and curtains to compensate.

    I've got to start figuring out how to launder some money through semi-legitimate expenses into cash ...
     
  6. Sep 24, 2009
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]No wife wants to know how much you have been spending on Jeep parts. Sure, she might get a bit hot if the rent goes unpaid again because you had to have an overdrive, but all in all she doesn't want to know. What use would she have for an exact dollar amount, other than telling a divorce lawyer?[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Here is an example that should strike fear into any man's heart. Fellow WillysTech member Art Contoni has been working on a CJ-2A. There are only three possible explanations for why he has a financial tally on his website, with nary a misleading number! Either his wife is legally blind, she can't read English, or Art is a raving lunatic crack-smoking fiend. (Art gave me permission to say that, sort of...) Imagine what would happen if our wives had access to data like this with our projects.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Leave no paper trail. That is first and foremost for a married man buying Jeep parts. Do you have a checkbook that makes carbon copies of each check you write? Those are vile, evil things. Get the plain sort of checkbook, where you write each entry in a separate ledger. After writing a check to "MegaBucks 4WD," make the ledger entry as "Hallmark Card Shop." Occasionally give her a card, or she will think you are having an affair. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Another good ledger entry is your local school district. It seems like the kids always need new lunch tickets or field trip money. You can only use this one during the school year, but it is another good reason to send the kids to summer school. You could also join your local school board and make a push for year-round schools. Don't use this ruse if your kids have grown up and moved away. If you don't have kids, you may want to consider having some. With all their expense, it is easy to dole out a few extra nondescript monetary outlays.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Plan your major purchases as close to payday as possible. Write those checks before the bills are paid. Only the last checks in each pay cycle will bounce. It looks a lot better for you if the check to the phone company bounces. Imagine the repercussions if the bank announces that your check for a new set of springs was the culprit.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Married men have difficulty grasping the concept of "Checkbook Radar." There is a magic dollar amount above which you will get in trouble. Generally, you can write all the $30 checks you'd like. If you write a $50 check or two, you'll have some 'splaining to do. As an example, consider a sale on shocks down at MegaBucks 4WD. At $25 each, when you buy three, you get the fourth one for free. A single man would think, "Wow, for only $75 I can get a set of four shocks." The married man knows that is nothing but trouble. No point in sleeping on the couch over this one. Buy four separate shocks over a period of several weeks even though it costs $25 more. The checkbook ledger will only show a check to the kids' school, one to the paperboy, one more for gas, and another for some groceries.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]If she wises up to that, you'll have to set the stage for the old "Working on the Brakes" ploy. While driving around in the Jeep, head towards a long downgrade. While chatting with your soul mate, casually mention that you were thinking about doing some brake work soon. At the instant you start descending the hill, get very quiet and pretend to pump the brakes a few times while the speed picks up. (Note: Make sure your brakes are actually working first) You will instantly have approval for a brake-job sized expenditure. The next day, don't let her see you installing those brand new shocks instead. You might want to spread a little dirt on the shocks right away to help hide them. Next month when you try this again, you can say you only replaced the brake shoes but were wondering if you should have replaced the wheel cylinders, too. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Another option is to get your wife involved in an expensive hobby. Ceramics or macramé are poor choices. She needs to be collecting rare porcelain dolls or china. Most any kind of antiques are good. Not garage sale antiques, but the overpriced stuff you can only get at a genuine antique shop. It is a bit hard for her to say anything to you when she has just added another lead crystal vase to the collection on the mantle.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Occasionally, you will be called on the carpet to explain any planned expenses. Let's say you have your eye on a project vehicle that last ran when Eisenhower was in the White House. Point out how cheap the purchase price is. The seller will even let you keep the tree growing through the floorboards for firewood. Never, ever, admit that it will need everything repaired or replaced. Give vague, noncommittal answers if pressed for a figure. "Oh honey, for just a few hundred dollars, I should have it running soon. That is a small price when compared to how much I love you." Pretty good, huh? If you have your wife properly conditioned, she will melt like butter. She will forget the money and remember the display of affection. Remember, her idea of a "few hundred dollars" is about $300. You know darn well it will be more like $3000, but since you never defined "few" you should be okay with properly scattered expenditures. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Good luck in your endeavors. Remember, leave no paper trail...[/FONT]
     
  7. Sep 24, 2009
    bkd

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    Bravo Billy bravo!....click/saveR)
    Jim S.
     
  8. Sep 24, 2009
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    All this is why I work a second job to support my "Jeep habit", go to swap meets to buy and sell parts, and look for good deals on Craigslist and what not for my projects. Another key is not to get in a rush on a planned upgrade. If you can pick up the parts a bit at a time it usually costs less in the long run and is easier to fly under the Wife's "radar"R).

    I also keep the money made from these endeavours separate. My wife never knows how much money I have in my "Jeep fund". Sometimes it's quite a bit, sometimes not much, but she doesn't know HOW much. That keeps down the "honey, can you pick up this or that" that eats away at the fund. Also, if you periodically get her something nice, go out to dinner, or whatever and subtly let her know the money came from your "Jeep fund", that gains a LOT of Jeep points.
    Also reminding her gently that while expensive, the Jeep projects have definite advantages for her. She knows where you are, you aren't spending money at the bar, or aren't running around with other women. Plus you have something tangible to show for your time and money.
     
  9. Sep 24, 2009
    davistroy

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    One thing I'm trying is, based on the fact I have two boys, I want to leave a Jeep for each of them. That works pretty well so far. I'll have a problem when I wan to get more than two.
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  10. Sep 24, 2009
    modified

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    hmm, gonna have to adopt one ....

    or can I teach my dog to drive.
     
  11. Sep 24, 2009
    mtndewmaniac66

    mtndewmaniac66 Down to Earth!

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    I wish I had those problems!R)
    My wife is the one poking me in the sides to get my parts ordered! I have six kids at home, and yes, one is approaching driving age, so this means that I will have to go out looking for a decent running Jeep, (my wife insists I give it a good look over) Get my daughter educated in how a Jeep drives and handles differently than that of a car, (or my 350HP '68 Chevy C10) AND to make sure that she has enough money saved up in her account to purchase the Jeep of her choice, and our approval.

    Anyways, back to the subject at hand, davistroy, it appears that you have your bases covered. You have a very detailed list that many can, and will probably use. I agree with jpflat2a, your bearings will come as a set, and also your hubs may already have races installed, check before you purchase.
     
  12. Sep 24, 2009
    davistroy

    davistroy Grasshopper

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    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    (sends Troy's wife the link)
     
  14. Sep 24, 2009
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep. Here lately (well, the last year or so) that's what she tells me when I tell her I feel guilty spending every evening from dinner to bedtime in the garage. I used to just sit out there gettin drunk.;)
     
  15. Sep 24, 2009
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I'm with Nick - my side buisness pays for the Jeeps, Guns, and Computers. It also pays for her '66 Mustang and other 'Toys' she wants. All she knows is she likes to ride in the jeep, she gets toys, I get toys, the dogs get toys (they are partial to the jeeps :) ) and she does not know what they 'cost'... They just appear (like her 23" monitor she got for her birthday and the 22 Kadet Conversion for her CZ75).
     
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    davistroy

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    Dang, Chuck, sounds like I need a "side" business like yours! That's awesome!

    And no - nobody will ever get my wife's e-mail. I do poke fun at her, but she's the best and my best friend. But, she does bust me frequently on Jeep expenditures as Family CFO. I think it's a genetic trait, just like dogs have to mark their territory. She's CEO and COO too. I'm CIO and mailroom boy.

    And yes, I've read all of the Dr. Vern stuff - he is hilarious and a great hero and legend.

    Anyways, I just had a monkey wrench thrown in my plans here ... Had a guy offer me a complete, in good shape, Narrow Track Dana 30 with 3.73 gears from a '73 for $125, hub-to-hub everything on it including warn lock-outs, steering /tie rods, etc.

    I'm thinking I could buy that, build it with Discs, then swap that out with my D27 (sell the D27), and swap my 5.38 D44 (rear axle that I have sitting out back from my '53) at the same time into the rear (can't use 4wd while it's in, of course), then build the current 3.73 D44 with discs and full floaters and swap it back in when I'm done. Greatly minimizes my potential down time, which has been a concern.

    May require a major re-work on my spreadsheet. Have to sleep on it.
     
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    wellsnmj

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    Blevisay that was the most articulate piece of humor I have read in a long time my poor wife was staring at me from the living room couch wondering what i had been smoking.. Thanks for the good laugh
     
  18. Sep 24, 2009
    Dan66cj5

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    What hoses are you going to use ? And you need 4 hoses.. one for each caliper. You might as well get a new drop hose in the back.. and maybe all new brake lines to the master cylinder ?

    The rotors you have selected sound like a great price. Are they the 1-1/8" thick ones ? I bought mine at napa for 42 bucks. Which brake pads are you getting ? I am going to try organic pads.

    You will need 20 wheel studs.

    Just a few things I noticed...
     
  19. Sep 24, 2009
    48cj2a

    48cj2a http://bantamt3c.com

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    I didn't know that thread with me in it was still active.

    Karl (aka Dr. Vern) and I had a pen pal relationship going when I was in the desert in 2003
     
  20. Sep 25, 2009
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Yup, Karl is a great guy. He did an article where his son got sick at a swap meet. That was at Puyallup about 5 or 6 years ago. I was there. Poor kid had the flu or something.
     
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