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Front Propeller U Joint Zerk

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Fresbone, Apr 19, 2023.

  1. Fresbone

    Fresbone Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    While servicing/cleaning/painting my propeller shafts, I found that one of the zerks had broken off a u joint. Being a kind of smart guy, I extracted the stub and replaced the zerk. Being a kind of dumb guy, I didn’t think why the zerk was broken. The new zert blocks movement at the u joint. Is the solution to use a greaseless (non-serviceable) u joint, reposition the u joint, or put in a different zerk? I’m not sure if this is the original propeller shaft because I have a SM-420 tranny. It’s the u joint on the left below. Thanks in advance.
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  2. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Does your Jeep have a lift kit? Maybe too much angle for the U Joint?
     
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  3. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I'ld re pack by hand and see if it clears facing the other yoke. even a straight fitting on it would be better than a broken grease fitting and exposed grease.
     
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  4. jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

    Reposition the ujoint or install a needle type zerk fitting.
     
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  5. Jeepenstein

    Jeepenstein Me like Jeep.. 2024 Sponsor

    If it's a very slight interference, maybe a little clearance with a die grinder?
     
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  6. Fresbone

    Fresbone Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Jeep has a lift kit from PO. I’m not sure how much of a kit. The u joint won’t move freely then installed in the propeller shaft because the space between the holes for the cross and the base of the propeller shaft is too shallow. I installed in the same orientation as it originally was with the zerk pointing toward the zerk on the shaft. I will flip it around and see if it is a problem with the yoke when I install the propeller shaft.

    Follow up question is one of the u joints had about 6-7 needle bearings that were slightly longer than the rest, but didn’t appear to block the cap from seating down. I’m guessing the PO lost a few needles and replaced them with what he had. Or maybe it was quality control at the factory. Any problem with leaving a few long needles in the caps if the caps seem to seat properly?
     
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  7. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    They do make u-joints that are sealed and ones with the grease fitting on a cap.
     
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  8. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    U-joints are sort of a pain to replace and quality replacements pretty cheap. I would be replacing all of them while those shafts are out. No way would I be using one with mismatched needles. The broken zerc was no doubt from having that installed backwards. The Spicer greaseless versions last well and are stronger. https://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/p4...universal_joint_1310_series_maintenance_.html
     
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  9. Fresbone

    Fresbone Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Thanks. For all the advice. I will replace the sketchy ones with sealed u joints. It was a good learning experience to take them apart and repack, and I read several posts where people comment that the original parts are better quality than newer parts. To be honest, I’m not sure if these are even original.
     
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  10. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Me too.
     
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  11. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    If it were me, I'd replace the ujoints (especially the one with the weird needle bearings).....I've never had an issue with clearance on the zerk as long as the zerk was original (and my jeep is lifted). But I did have a zerk that stopped working (wouldn't take grease) and when I tried to replace it, the replacement was just a bit different/longer/different angle to the head and I had interference issues....so I replaced it in total. Going sealed without zerk fitting is totally fine if you want to avoid any and all issues with clearance.
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  12. jeepdaddy2000

    jeepdaddy2000 Active Member

    Where is the zerk?
    I've seen them in the middle of the cross, on an arm, or in the cap.
    For anything but the middle:
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    Middle zerks usually require a 90 degree zerk.
     
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  13. Fresbone

    Fresbone Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

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    Middle of the cross.
     
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  14. jeepdaddy2000

    jeepdaddy2000 Active Member

    You should be able to install and position a 90 degree zerk where it won't interfere with the driveline.
    You can use a needle zerk, buy you may have to remove the driveline to lube the U joint.
    Otherwise, a cap or arm zerk if you decide to replace the u joint.
     
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  15. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor


    I've seen UJs with the needle point type grease fitting in the center of one bearing cup, fully accessible from the outside. Seemed like a good idea to me. Certainly better than disconnecting the driveshaft every time you want to add grease.
     
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  16. Fresbone

    Fresbone Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    From reading old threads on u joints, it looks like the replacement spicer parts are 5-1301X (non-greasable) or 5-153 (greasable) for the rear and 5-248X (greasable) for the front. Unfortunately, it does not look like there is a non-greasable option for the front, and the zerk is in the middle, so I will plan on replacing with a 90 degree zerk. Also, I read on the Spicer web site that the country of origin for both is China. I don't know if that is a recent change, but I read in old posts that you should try to avoid the Chinese parts, so I'm not really sure what to make of that.
     
  17. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I wouldn't worry too much about Chinese replacements they should be good enough for an easy driver. you'll eventually get a feel for who has a similar driving style to you, who is easier, and who puts there jeep into the trees.

    If it does keep you up at night you can get yokes for the pinion and transfercase from a 4cyl jeep. They used the same u-joints as the rear driveshaft. You just need a new driveshaft to go with everything else.
     
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  18. Fresbone

    Fresbone Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    The only thing that keeps me up at night is my snoring (or my wife’s snoring)! Thanks everybody. This has been very helpful.
     
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  19. amboynut

    amboynut Member

    Caution! Hijack Alert! That DeWalt 20V vacuum is an awesome tool.
     
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  20. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    X2. Have one here. 100x better than a dust buster.