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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by dakwag, Dec 17, 2013.

  1. Dec 21, 2013
    Danefraz

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    X2 on pull the diff covers. Gaskets for diff are cheap. Lube isn't costly. Plus you'll know if you have anything interesting or surprising in there ( ltd slip, locker, etc.).


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  2. Dec 21, 2013
    1960willyscj5

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    Sounds like you have different gearing for the front axle. Should both turn the same amount when you do that. Don't operate the vehicle in 4wd until you get that sorted out
     
  3. Dec 22, 2013
    PeteL

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    "when I applied a piece of clocking tape to the bottom of the front and back tires for a reference and turned the back tire by hand I get exactly two front rotations for every rear rotation."

    Sounds like you have one wheel turning at one axle, and two wheels turning at the other axle.
     
  4. Dec 22, 2013
    dakwag

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    This is whats happening. Would that account for the discrepancy?
     
  5. Dec 22, 2013
    PeteL

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    Yes. If one wheel is held the other doubles its rotations via the differential gears.
     
  6. Dec 22, 2013
    1960willyscj5

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    Not following, Pete.

    Been my experience that the front will turn the same number as the back. Even if some one holds one wheel stationary. I have had the front tires spin in opposite directions if noone holds them.
     
  7. Dec 22, 2013
    nickmil

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    Petel is saying on the same axle, I.e. side to side. If you hold one wheel stationary, say the passenger side, the driver side wheel will turn twice as many revolutions with the same number of turns of the driveshaft.


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  8. Dec 22, 2013
    1960willyscj5

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    Now I am going to have to go out and try that. I've only spun them with all four up in the air on jackstands in the garage.
     
  9. Dec 22, 2013
    dakwag

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    Verified: 4.27s front and rear. I think what I'm experiencing must have something to do with Pete's observation.
     
  10. Dec 22, 2013
    nickmil

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    Petel's post was more clear but just for the record I posted that first ;)


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  11. Dec 22, 2013
    dakwag

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    Possible source of resistance?

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  12. Dec 22, 2013
    dakwag

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    For all I know there might be a small dinosaur stuck in there :p
     
  13. Dec 23, 2013
    1960willyscj5

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    Some one run through a river without changing the oil afterwards?
     
  14. Dec 23, 2013
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    Yeah, that's a water-oil emulsion. I don't think it would make a noticable change in the axle performance if it's recent. Scrape it out and change the oil a couple of times. If you want to be more thorough, put some solvent in a pump sprayer and rinse it out.
     
  15. Dec 23, 2013
    1960willyscj5

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    Both axles, because the other probably looks this way also.

    Might the Tranny/TC be this way also?
     
  16. Dec 23, 2013
    timgr

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    Good point. A change of all the fluids should be routine with any new-to-you vehicle, since you don't know the detailed history.
     
  17. Dec 23, 2013
    dakwag

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    roger that - 75W-90 GL5 in the front diff? Straight 30W in the tranny/T-case? Does the Warn overdrive and PTO change the spec? What about the rear? It has the factory limited slip (trac-loc)?

    T90 3 speed/Warn OD
    Dana 18 t/c
    Dana 27 front
    Dana 44 rear
     
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  18. Dec 23, 2013
    Posimoto

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    No 30W in the tranny. Use gear oil, like the diff's. Can you post a pic of the rear diff case? Someone can ID it for you as it could be a Powerlock. Most gear oils have modifiers in it for limited slip. Check the label on the bottle.
     
  19. Dec 23, 2013
    dakwag

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    Here is what's inside the rear axle. 21920X is stamped on the side of the LS housing. I'm thinking it's a Powr-Loc from the descriptions I've found. "Two piece case and four-pinion differential, available in Jeeps from 1956 to 1970." (Jeep 4x4 Performance Handbook)

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  20. Dec 23, 2013
    PeteL

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    80-90 GL4 is the spec I use...
     
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