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Dj-5c Restoration - 3s + 1w

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by Jeff Bromberger, Jul 5, 2019.

  1. Oct 24, 2019
    Jeff Bromberger

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    And the saga continues.

    The replacement Left Tie Rod End appeared via UPS today. And it was a party. Until I compared it to the original piece:

    Wrong_Tie_End.jpg

    Pardon the crappy contrast in the photo. The new one is on the left, the original one is on the right. As the jury can plainly see, these are chiral opposites to each other. The new piece has a left hand bend at the top, whereas the one I need has a right hand bend. In other words, this new piece goes back to the shop and I am left, again, with no idea where I can buy a new tie rod end.

    Anybody know of a secret storehouse of obsolete parts for oddball jeeps that has been forgotten about?
     
  2. Oct 24, 2019
    Jw60

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    Not fun, it must be opposite from the typical cj due to it being a right hand drive.
     
  3. Oct 25, 2019
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  4. Oct 31, 2019
    Jeff Bromberger

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    Quick change of topics - how little do I need to see if an out-of-the-jeep motor runs? For a one minute test case, I know about fuel and air. Can I run without coolant/water pump? How about without alternator? Can I put a switch in between the battery and the coil to take the place of the ignition switch and just use one of those buttons to trip over the starter? How much of the vacuum line architecture needs to be there? Anything else I should look out for?
     
  5. Oct 31, 2019
    timgr

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    You can run for a minute or two without coolant. Take the belt off - don't spin the water pump if there's no coolant in the engine. No need to spin the alternator either.

    Electrically, you need a wire from the battery to the coil (this is the "hot wire"). You can insert the ballast resistor and an on-off switch in that wire if you want. Won't matter for a minute of running.

    For the starter, use any old push button switch and connect an alligator clip to each terminal by whatever wire you have. Put one clip on the the "S" terminal of the solenoid and one to the battery side. Push the button and the engine will crank. As long as there is some very small amount of juice in the battery, once started it will continue to run, till you pull the hot wire off.

    12V Remote Starter Switch

    With an automatic, if it doesn't crank you may need to bypass the neutral safety switch. Be careful - don't get crushed or run over by a car that starts while it's in gear.
     
  6. Nov 1, 2019
    timgr

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    If the engine is not in the chassis, I suggest you make a stand of some kind to hold it upright and motionless before you try to start it. You could take a sturdy pallet, some scrap lumber to hold the engine by the mounts and bell ring, and run the engine with a battery. JMO - it's easier to set the engine into the chassis to hold it.
     
  7. Nov 4, 2019
    Jeff Bromberger

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    Is there an icon when you get to see the first light at the end of the tunnel?

    This weekend, in perfect weather, I was able to complete the entire rear brake assembly on both sides. Everything up to the brake proportioning valve is DONE (including that goofy rubber hose mid-line). Only thing left to do in the rear is to run a new fuel line - the old plastic one has cracked in a million places - and then hang the fuel tank.

    Now, back to the front. Spent over an hour with a torch and hammer, but still unable to remove the kingpins from the front axle/steering knuckle. There is so much play in the top/bottom of the pins, where they ride in the axle, but it's frozen solid to the actual steering knuckle and no matter how much pounding I've done, the key way hasn't even budged. Unless somebody else has a surefire method, I think I am going to pull the axle and take it to a place that specializes in truck axles and see if they can use one of those huge shop presses and punch them out. I am going to guess that no amount of anti-seize will protect the new kingpins from getting stuck, but then again, what are the odds that I'm going to need to replace them in the next 20 years?

    After that, the brake backers go on, the master cylinder gets bench-bled and installed, the lines (front and back) are bled, shoes adjusted, and she's back on her own wheels for the first time in I can't remember when.

    Tim, I am going to follow your advice and wait until the chassis is rolling before dropping the engine in place and then working on it. Without fenders on, it is just as convenient as a engine cradle and it is one less thing I have to build.
     
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  8. Nov 4, 2019
    Dphillip

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    Good idea taking the straight axle to a shop that has experience working with king pins. Years ago the shop I worked at did all types of repairs but when it came to king pins in older trucks or the like we just pulled the axle and sent it to an old timer that had been replacing king pins for years.
    Glad your making progress!
     
  9. Nov 7, 2019
    Jeff Bromberger

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    And the Powers That Be must be laughing at me...

    I ordered that Crown part mentioned above. It's for the UK/Right Handed Jeeps. And it got here last night. And it will be going back.

    It's the same configuration as the part I tried from rareparts.com, in that it has the right general idea, but the top is bent the wrong direction. I swear it isn't for a right hander, no matter what the catalog says.

    So, now, I am forced to make a decision (of three): a) reinstall the broken part and pray it lasts forever - after all, steering is mostly optional. b) have something custom made for me, although I have no idea where to do that, or how much it may cost. c) bite the proverbial bullet and replace the front axle with the newer variety. That means tossing out all of the front end stuff I have already done (bearings/brakes/tie rod stuff) as well as changing tire size on the front.

    You know, if I was rebuilding a military jeep, also made under government contract, there'd be millions of parts. Why am I not that lucky?
     
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  10. Nov 7, 2019
    Dphillip

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    Have you tried this company, maybe they have a used one that’s in serviceable condition.

    Postal Jeep Parts
     
  11. Nov 7, 2019
    Jeff Bromberger

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    I know both of the two places that do Postal Jeep parts :) One of them is under 30 minutes from my home, and I've been there a number of times. Great guys, both of them.

    Neither have the part I am looking for in any condition other than heavily used. And that's the way mine is. The whole ball socket is wallowed out, the grease inside is either rock hard or missing, etc. If I didn't take it out, I probably could have just closed my eyes, put my fingers in my ears, loudly sang "la la la!" and let it go. Now, gifted with the knowledge of the true condition, I can't put this old one back in.

    As Dick Dastardly used to say: Drat, Drat and Double Drat!
     
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  12. Nov 8, 2019
    sterlclan

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    Have you looked at hot rod sites? A lot of custom steering used in those.
     
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  13. Nov 8, 2019
    timgr

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    Or perhaps a machinist could recondition the part you have? Build it up with weld and machine a new bearing surface? There are talented people out there that are interested in Jeeps - post up some pictures of your problematic part.
     
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  14. Nov 11, 2019 at 5:33 PM
    Jeff Bromberger

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    I found a local hot-rod/customs shop, as suggested above. While they are closed this week, I will drop by next week with both the tie rod end and the axle. Older cars used kingpins, too, so maybe they can get me out of the jam there as well. :)

    Thanks to everybody as I try to get this beast back on the road.

    Interesting fact: when I bought this, the guy at the junkyard gave it a once over and told me that it'd be back on the road in days, right after an oil change. Seems that he was wrong with his off-the-cuff estimates. Way off. I suspect that, by the time I'm done, it'll cost me more than buying something new.
     
  15. Nov 11, 2019 at 8:58 PM
    ojgrsoi

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    Maybe not. ;)
     
  16. Nov 12, 2019 at 11:31 AM
    sterlclan

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    But the knowledge is priceless
     

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