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Dana axle upgrade questions

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by w3srl, Nov 11, 2005.

  1. Nov 11, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Ok, so Nickmil's info on swapping the 19-spline D44 tapered axles into a D41 housing has got me going off on a tangent here. If I were to do this to gain the stronger axles from the D44, which Lock-rite kit would I use, the D41 or the D44? I'm thinking it would be the D44, since it appears that the side gears in the diff unti are replaced by the parts in the Lock-rite, Is this correct?

    Next question, if using the D44 axles means I need a locker from a D44, does that mean that an Aussie locker from a D44 would work in the D41? :twisted:
     
  2. Nov 11, 2005
    michigan_pinstripes

    michigan_pinstripes I'm not lost, I'm wandering

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    I never researched this but there was past discussions on the strength of the D41. IIRC, Jim ( jpflat2a) felt that the 41 was strong enough for normal trail use. I decided to leave mine alone in the 2A.

    However, I bet choice of lockers is narrow. The aussie may not have the clearance, i dunno.
     
  3. Nov 11, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    I have the same nagging feeling. If I were looking to drop a Dauntless or a SB Chebby in it anytime soon, I'd just swap a D44 in it and call it good. In actuality, I want to put a locker in the rear (and possibly the front too!) and I just got to thinking that if the weak point on the '41 is the 10-spline axles and the 19-spline axles from a '44 fit..... see where this is going?

    Oh, and they don't make an Aussie Locker for the '41. :Grrr:
     
  4. Nov 12, 2005
    neptco19

    neptco19 That guy....

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    Steve I'm fixin to do this same swap, only I'm not adding a locker. I have all the parts on the workbench just no time to do it :(. But I would say just stick with the lock rite since you know it will fit rather than chancing wether or not the aussie will fit.
     
  5. Nov 12, 2005
    willysworker

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    It was pointed out to me that axle tube thickness should also be concidered if your puting money and time into a stronger axle. I found a complete 1970 Cj5 D44 30 spline rear axle. It know has Warn full floater kit. I don't know what tube thickness these have.
     
  6. Nov 14, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    the 41 is plenty strong IMO
    I did break 2 axles screwing around in 2wd low range barking the tires while shifting....this was my fault.
    The reason I went 44 is back in the early 80s there were no locker options for the 41 and the 10 spline axles and spiders were being discontinued from Jeep. Nick's info is good info about converting to the D44 axles and splines.
    I have broken 3 tapered 44 axles, always the short side I might add; they just don't flex like the long drivers side shafts do.
    This resulted in changing to the current 44 full float set-up.
    Changing tapered axles in the desert isn't fun and you can't drive the Jeep home on a broken tapered axle.
    My only concern now with D44 tapered axles would be country of origin; when Dana/Spicer made them, I had no concerns.
    most replacements now (if not all) are foreign made and the quality and strength are missing. The last 2 short side 44 axles I broke were from Crown and not "Dana" marked. They broke during normal "street" driving, not off road.
    If it were me, I would probably seek out original used Spicer axles to use in my rig.
    I would avoid the Crown and foreign brands.
     
  7. Nov 14, 2005
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    What Jpflat2a said!
    I've also had experience with the aftermarket replacement tapered shafts and they are junk. I don't know if the Aussie Locker would fit, never installed the Aussie, but I know a Lock-rite will in a 41 case. You may have to clearance the opening somewhat for installation, but not a big deal. A dremel/die grinder or patience and a file will do it. Just make sure you clean it thoroughly afterward! I would suspect an Aussie would fit as it has to match the same dimensions of a stock side gear. Food for though. I would recommend putting new thrust washers between the side gear and case though to keep clearances where they should be. Nickmil.
     
  8. Nov 14, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Thanks Nick, once again you are the man!

    I've managed to score a set of used '44 axle shafts from another ECJ5 member, and I'm going to hold onto them until I have the $$ for the locker. If I can swing it, I may do the rear discs at the same time.

    For the time being though, I need to get the T-90 redone, and I'm going to do the D-18 while its out and on the bench.

    It never ends. :rofl:
     
  9. Nov 14, 2005
    CJMace

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    ive been running the 41 for about 5 yrs of hard trail use with a lockrite. Have never had a problem, and have bounced it pretty hard at times. The 41 is supposed to be marginally weaker than the tapered shafts of the 44. Dont know how long it will last, have eaten through two sets of outer bearings, but that just poor PM. I think mine has held up real well.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2005
    jd7

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    nows the time for the 4 spd swap:)
     
  11. Nov 15, 2005
    mike327

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    Glad I read this I was about to chunck my 41 in favor of the 44 out from under my a1. I think i will keep it now Did not know you could swap the axles between the two. Great place with lots of info.
     
  12. Nov 15, 2005
    jd7

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    You have a 41 under your A1? Should be a tapered axle 44
     
  13. Nov 15, 2005
    mike327

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    Sorry I did not make myself clear. You are correct the A1 has a 44 The 2a has a 41 I am building the 2a first and was going to use tha 44 from the A1.
     
  14. Nov 15, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    If you have the '44 and the gear ratio is the same, that's the route I'd take. The only reason I wanted to keep my '41 instaed of swapping the whole banana out is that I've already been all through the center section and it's just fine. No tellng what I'd end up with when buying a whole axle that's been sitting behind someone's garage for the last 15 years.... :rofl:
     
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