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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jeepcj, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. Nov 27, 2011
    jeepcj

    jeepcj Member

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    Installed a cam, lifters, pushrods, timing chain on my sbc a week or so ago, The jeep was running fine. I took my daughter for a ride lastnight and she wanted me to go fast, so I gave it all it had running through the gears and it ran fine, pulled hard. When we came to the next stop light, the idle had dropped to 600-650 rpms and idled rough. It idled at 800-850 before this just fine. The carb does have a little play in the throttle shaft, so there is a small vac leak. What do you think would cause this to happen?? I tried adjusting the carb as soon as we got back home with not much change. I did get the idle to come up to 750-800 rpms but it fluctuates from 600ish to the 750-800 mark.. Any Ideas!
    The carb has been rebuilt twice in the last few months, Oh,,, I did put a dwell meter on it lastnight and the dwell is at 28 now when it was at 30.
     
  2. Nov 27, 2011
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'd just adjust the dwell, timing, idle air mixture, and curb idle again and see how it does. Might check for vacuum leaks. There's nothing wrong with running your curb idle at 800-850, but there's no need. The spec for that should be about 650RPM
     
  3. Nov 27, 2011
    jeepcj

    jeepcj Member

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    thanks, that was my plan of attack but wanted to run it by you guys and see what you thought. I dought I will be messing with it today though. I welded for a friend yesterday and think I burned my eyes, I don't understand how though because I wore the face sheild. anyway, maybe later today. thanks for the input
     
  4. Nov 27, 2011
    Farmer Mike

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    Potato juice will remove the flash burn. Learned that from an old welder and it works.
     
  5. Nov 27, 2011
    jeepcj

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    Potato juice will remove the flash burn. Learned that from an old welder and it works.

    How does that work?? I mean how do you apply it to your eyes? because I will try it for sure.
     
  6. Nov 27, 2011
    Farmer Mike

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    I just juice a potato. Use like eye drops
     
  7. Nov 27, 2011
    rusty

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    Cut in thin slices and put over eyes, draws the heat out. Could go to Doc. and ask for tetracaine. :)
     
  8. Nov 27, 2011
    jeepcj

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    thanks, I will try the slices. The potato eye drops don't sound fun.
    thanks guys! Im going to try and tune the jeep in tomorrow, I went out to the garage to try but the eyes were bothering me too much.
     
  9. Nov 27, 2011
    $Broke with no budget$

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    True statement know this from experience, use a darker shade lense i use shade 11 on carbon steel an sun glasses combined with shade 11 when welding aluim. to get a 12 or more shade.
     
  10. Nov 28, 2011
    jeepcj

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    Someone a while back stated that this site is amazing. I must say, that is a true statement. I used the slices of potato lastnight and I can see today. The light doesnt hurt my eyes like it did, and it isn't watering near as bad.. That was amazing, thank you so much...
    I used my friends facesheild and was wondering if he didnt have a dark enough shade as well. I will tell him to get a darker one. thanks again
     
  11. Nov 28, 2011
    duffer

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    Last time I had a problem similar to yours with a sbc it was the distributor advance hanging up because the upper plate on the Accel dist was loose on the shaft so it cocked a little bit and hung up on the springs, not allowing it to return to idle position. Not something you would usually suspect and the last Accel product I bought. That was 15 years ago.
     
  12. Nov 28, 2011
    jeepcj

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    thanks duff. Im going out to play with it in just a little bit. I will def look at the vac advance. Im curious as to why the dwell would change from 30 to 28. the WOT run shouldnt have caused the points to ware down suddenly like that would it. Wen I had everything apart for the cam, I looked the dist over and the shaft and everything seemed tight (no play). Ill let ya's know what I fing out later on.
     
  13. Nov 28, 2011
    Mr. Gangrene Jeans

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    When you changed the cam and timing gears, did you use an offset key, or bushing that may have slipped?
     
  14. Nov 28, 2011
    jeepcj

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    No, we installed the chain in the standard timing position, which was the O on the sprocket per the directions. I looked it over today and found that the vac advance must not be funtioning. the timing was at 12* btdc with or without the vac hooked up. I took the cap off the dist and trying to move the plate clock wise and counter clock wise I could only move it about 1/16", is that normal. If so what else would cause it not to funtion. Do I need to take out the dist and really look it over? It runs fine except at idle it is rough and runs rich, driving it, if you give it the gas it gos just fine but try cruising at say 25-35mph and it not right.. runs kinda rough, has some hessitation until you increase the gas, then it runs fine again. just at idle and at steady slower cruise speeds does it act up. It would be nice if I could fix this one and not have to buy a new dist.
     
  15. Nov 28, 2011
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    It's not the brightness of the flash- it's the ultraviolet light that causes the problem. The helmet filter should block the UV, that's above & beyond shading the visible light so you can see what's happening with the weld. What's actually happening is that the UV causes sunburn to the cornea of your eye (same thing causes snow blindness). The lens is actually is opaque to UV so blocks it from reaching the retina.

    Probably what happened was the arc light was reflecting off something & shining in the helmet from behind.

    H.
     
  16. Nov 28, 2011
    Corveeper

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    If you're sure its the vacuum actuator you can get one from O'Riellys, Napa, Auto Zone, any number of parts stores.
     
  17. Nov 28, 2011
    jeepcj

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    well, im not sure, but it used to funtion before the cam install because i was always playing with the timing. Id set it at about 10* plug the vac line in and it would go off the timing tag. now it stays right at 12* and don't move with the vac line hooked up or not. thats all it could be isn't it?? If so I will get a new one. o'riellys is right up the street.
     
  18. Nov 30, 2011
    $Broke with no budget$

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    oops sorry wrong key
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    $Broke with no budget$

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    Are you going to take the advice of a electronics tech or a welder? Ha just kidding, lens shade has everthing to do with keeping your eyes from being burned,if shade did'nt matter then why put on a shield. Reflection,an the smallest crack in your face shied will cause problems just as not dark enough lens will.
     
  20. Nov 30, 2011
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I stand by my statement- It's the UV that causes the burn, not the intensity of the visible light. Masks made for arc welding have UV filters for that reason. I've done plenty of welding with light shades, even sunglasses but they were UV blockers. Never got any eye burn, I sometimes looked like a reverse raccoon but the eyes were fine :).

    H.
     
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