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Quickie Paint Booth Ideas...

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Boyink, Nov 27, 2004.

  1. Nov 27, 2004
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I have a fair number of things I'll need to be painting in the coming weeks - the largest being the rollcage for SSDutch. Last year I painted the plow in the garage and saw no end of safety yellow paint dust in addition to the fumes, etc.

    So I'm thinking of constructing a temporary booth in one stall of my garage where I can be under the lights. Initially I thought I could just staple clear plastic up to the rafters, but between the crap I have stored up there and the dust levels from years of grinding and welding I'm thinking that building a complete box with ceiling underneath the garage rafters is a better idea.

    Nosing around the web..I see that using PVC as a frame sounds like a good approach - anyone done this?

    Alternatively...I almost wonder if a better approach is one of these, in the backyard or driveway. I have portable heat I could use.

    Seems as an exhaust fan with a sealed motor is a common concern. Any ideas for a cheap approach?
     
  2. Nov 27, 2004
    Ledge

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    Build a skeleton out of strapping or 2x3's or whatever cheap lumber you can get. The PVC idea is nice, and will last a long time, but it's more pricey than cull lumber and you can't staple the plastic to it easily. Cover your wooden frame with plastic. Put furnace filters in one end, and an old box fan exhausting out the other end.
     
  3. Nov 27, 2004
    jd7

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    Used the plastic on several occasions and the inexpensive box fans w/ac filter taped to it, let garage door down and set on top of fans w/carboard box between them.
     
  4. Nov 27, 2004
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Mike, I've exchanged correspondance wih a guy who's used the PVC (ABS?), look here about halfway down the page-

    http://members.cox.net/mrobosson/

    He used short sections of the pipe with about 1/3 of the side cut out to form a "C" to clip the plastic to the frame. I believe he posts on here occaisionally as "Old Bill". This is the way I intend to go when the time comes.

    H.
     
  5. Nov 27, 2004
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    would use the cheapest (dutch) wood you can find. staple the plastic to it. add an exhaust fan. spend $$$$ and get best breathing filter you can buy (heath is not cheap). use quality paint/painting supplies.
     
  6. Nov 27, 2004
    Project71-5

    Project71-5 BACON

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    I would go with a 3/4" pvc frame. A hand full of tee's and 90's and you could have yourself a nice frame for under $10-$15.
     
  7. Nov 27, 2004
    termin8ed

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    I've done the same thing in my dad's garage before. We painted my brothers old ranger, my old sunbird, and probably my dads jeep whenever he gets a body for it. He's allready got the plastic stapled to the garage rafters so all we did was go around and staple the plastic to the rafters and let it hang down. One thing I found helps to keep the plastic up was to use a small square of cardboard where you staple. It helps spread the load so the plastic doesn't want to tear thru at the staple. We had an old, old, old box fan that we put on one end and blew the air out. It did turn various shades of red, then blue, then grey again so don't plan on it staying clean. Didn't have a filter at the other end, but I don't think there's much dust or pollen flying around michigan right now after this soaking. ;)
     
  8. Nov 28, 2004
    Zoomer

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    I'm no expert on painting, but it seems to me I've read it's safer to use the fan to blow into your both rather than suck air out. That way the air coming in contact with the fan doesn't contain the fumes (seems I've heard they can be quite volitile).
     
  9. Nov 28, 2004
    Old Bill

    Old Bill Aggressively passive....

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    Actually, you might consider a fan blowing in and a fan blowing out. Remember, the best respirator in the world can't make oxygen for you if there's nothing but fumes in the booth with you. :( (Unless you go with a hood system...but you still want a supply of fresh air coming in regardless.) You DO have a respirator, right?
    I used this method because if I hadn't, the air being forced in would've forced the fumes and overspray out somewhere, and I wanted to control that somewhat. The outgoing fan did the trick. Oh yeah, air conditioning filters on both. Dust in=bad, overspray on drive way=bad.

    And Howard already pointed this out, but I used all PVC for my booth frame. Make 2 rectangles, one for the "roof" and one for the "floor", and join them with 6 "posts". (Oh Yeah, make sure the project is already inside the area before you join the one end of the "floor". Don't ask.. :oops: ) You may have to bungee cord a corner or two to keep it secured if you don't care to glue the parts together. I made some short tubing sections, about 1.5" long, cut a chunk out of the tubing longitudally so that the piece would "snap fit" over the "posts" and "roof" rails. Made about 40 of those, and it sure made the booth easy to disassemble later.

    The reason I used the PVC was to allow me to take the booth apart and reassemble later. I simply couldn't keep it (the booth that is...) up during the entire painting process. If the space you're using will be untampered the whole time, I could see a 2x4 frame being more sturdy and easy to replace the plastic. The plastic will attract a lot of dust and overspray by virtue of static cling, so changing it is a good idea to keep all the extra crap out of your final coats.

    Feel free to PM me if you have questions.
     
  10. Nov 28, 2004
    Boyink

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    Thanks guys...

    Yes, I have a good respirator, no worries there.

    I only have one box fan, so gotta buy something anyway. I'm still concerned about the exhaust fan and vapors...gotta see what I can dig up that has a sealed motor.

    Bill - if I understand your snap fit pieces, you used the same diameter tubing with the piece cut out, and sandwiched the plastic between it and the leg?
     
  11. Nov 28, 2004
    Ducks-Bass-n-Jeeps

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    Your problem now is the outdoor temp, but in the warmer months I have gotten some good paint jobs spraying outside at day break before the wind and bugs get up.

    I would opt for a cheap framework tent with poly. However if you did buy the canopy you linked you could use if for other events later. (Like Tellico type trips)
     
  12. Nov 28, 2004
    william_cj3b

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    Mike, if you end up using only one fan, put it forcing air into your booth rather than drawing air in. You can filter the air coming into the booth if you have control of where it comes from - ie. filters on the intake side of a fan blowing into the spray booth. The idea is to maintain a slight positive pressure. If you run a vacuum, air and dust and trash and bugs, etc, etc, etc, can be drawn in at any opening in the plastic, especially at the floor. Also place your air intake as high as possible and your exhaust as low as possible on opposite sides of the chamber. This gives a cross-draft with a little bit of down-draft.
     
  13. Nov 29, 2004
    Old Bill

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    Actually, it's Thad, Bill is the Jeep! :p

    Yes, I used a thinwall PVC, so cutting a section out of it to make a "C" will slip right over the plastic and the framework. Make lots of them. A bandsaw makes easy work out of this.
     
  14. Nov 29, 2004
    avnet

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    oakesmi2

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    it could double as a frame sand blasting room as well.
     
  16. Nov 29, 2004
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    :cry: Sorry Thad!


    Mike O - you gonna need a frame sandblasted? ;) I had a guy just e. of Zeeland do the Bantam...for the $$ I'd just go pay him to make the mess.

    Actually gonna use the Eastwood stuff on SSDutch's frame...hope to avoid blasting.
     
  17. Nov 29, 2004
    oakesmi2

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    No I just remember doing my frame about 4 years ago.
    and man it was a big mess.
     
  18. Nov 29, 2004
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    BTW Mike - didja check your MSU email? ;)
     
  19. Nov 30, 2004
    oakesmi2

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    yeah did you get my reply? :)

    anyway, I have next sat. free so we can plan on getting those t-cases back together.


    later
    mike
     
  20. Nov 30, 2004
    jimf

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    I like the sounds of the PVC frame vs the canopy. You can pick your own dimensions, so you're not stuck with 2' of work area along the sides.
     
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