Renegade ID discussion

I agree I looked for that part number too. Seems that someone simply forgot to list it in the Parts Catalog.

I realize my post has a lot of repeated information. I was trying to show a detailed look of the complete Renegade I, II packages.

Yes, the Renegade wiring is generally the best indicator to sniff out the imposters.
But I believe the article archived here mentions that optional gauges were used on the 462 as well.
Probably some of the 462 parts are indistinguishable from Renegade I parts.

Here's a possible exception ......
Does anyone happen to know if the rear reflector is specific only to the Renegade I and no other CJ ?

 

this would appear to be one of the easier questions to answer
from the R2 manual:

and:


seems they are the one and the same.

but, the info opens another can of worms by declaring 1969 and prior......
so......if 1969 is the proclaimed first year of Renegade models, are there earlier years ?

all the info is useful oldtime, not demeaning you or your info at all.

 

Guys I have not had a chance to study all the great info that has been presented, but what little I have been able to pick up from a quick read of this post, I did notice some things that did not match the part catalog on mine. Here are a few things I noticed with a quick reading of the post:

Mine had a 35 amp Motorola alternatior, not a 55 amp
My rear drive is a 3.73 not a 4.89
There is no second ballest resister in my wiring
There was no rear sparetire reflector
Also I have seen 2 types of wiring harness on RII's. A earler style and like mine.

There may be some other things that I have yet spotted yet.

Of course keep in mind, I think mine was made at the very end of the years run before AMC did there changes, and I think there was a lot of using what ever was on hand.
For RII, I think the best way to tell if it was a RII is the rear panel/no tailgate. Almost all other things could be dealer options or owner installed, but no tailgate would be pretty hard for somebody to add on I would think.

Of course the best way to tell if you have a real RII is to look at the sales slipR)R)

http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/SALES%20AGREEMENT.pdf

 

seeing the post above just makes me want to cry....
why ?

when dad closed up in 1999, we shredded all of our sales jackets.
we couldn't throw them in the trash because of all the personal data recorded.
that's right, we still had factory dealer invoices/customer name and addy for every Jeep we sold from Nov 1965 till July 1997.....about 20 file cabinets full of stuff.
of course, only the 1965 thru 1975 would be of some real value here...data wise.
had I known of this site back then.......

cry....cry....cry....cry....

 

Re: Amazing Discovery !

My CJ was Built in Early Aug 1969 and titled 1970. It matches a 1970 Ren 1 picture I have, except for the color which makes me think it really isn't a Ren 1

 

Re: Amazing Discovery !

I will see what I can do

 

I will check on the rear reflector question, as that has caught everyone's eye.

A quick word of appreciation: My thanks to you all. From the management to newest members. Knowlege and understanding are the keys to everything in life. You folks are a big help. Thank you.

 

I can feel your pain a little bit to. Last fall the dealer where I bought my Jeep back in 1971 was moving and they were having a grand opening. I got to thinking about it and wondering if they might still have the old records of when I bought mine. One of the things I was wondering about was which orange color mine was, as I think I know, but never was postitive. I went down there and asked them and they said they had kept them until the day before and decided not to move them and took them to the dump. I missed by just one day seeing my sales record and data.

 

The reflectors are on the rear corners of the tub. They are a hard plastic 6 sided and attached with screws

 

jpflat2a,

The pages you scanned must be the W- 1195 R1 and not from the W-1195 R2.

Here's what's important from your scan....

12.125-1 Reflector kit , Rear quarter panel (Incl Attaching Parts)
83/86 05 (1969 and prior) qty. 1 981 295
83 Renegade (1969 and prior) qty 2 981 295

Here"s what I see:

The prefix 83 designates CJ-5, the prefix 86 designates DJ-6........05 is the suffix for open body.
Qty. of only one is used because of the rear sparer carrier. Qty. of two is needed for Renegade.
The first (1969 and prior) is a reference to a few quarter panel reflectors being used in 1968.
The second (1969 and prior) is probably a reference to the part not to the Renegade itself.
I would be somewhat careful in proclaiming the validity of a 1969 Renegade existing from that one single anomaly by itself,
But it certainly appears likely that the Renegade existed in 1969.
The possability of the 1969 Renegade I could explain why OverEngineer's Renegade has the red paint.

The W-1195 R2 also mentions a # 981295 being issued for CJ-5, CJ-6, DJ-5 DJ-6.
It refers to different rear quarter panel reflector listed in Group 35-23A ( # 977895 ) for Renegades.

It appears to me then that the rear quarter panel reflector is not specific to Renegade I prior to 1970.
Later manufactured rear quarter panel reflectors are Renegade specific.
It would be niice if we can get pics of both rear quarter panel reflectors.

It is only my logic that dictates the 55 amp alternator and not familiarity.
As for logic I would have expected a T-18 for Renegades but I realize that's a dream.
3.73 rear is incionsistent with the 3/15/ 71 Parts Catalog.
Mike, Is your Renegade II post 3/15/ 71 ?

OverEngineer,
I am still trying to aquire the Renegade I that I discovered earlier.
If I get it I will compare detailed observations with you since the serial numbers are only a month apart.

 

Ken, my build date was May 1971 and the trans is a T-14A

Mike

 

FYI..... I did some checking and corrected (edited) my last post.

It's possible that the 3.73 differential ratio was a later Renegade option not mentioned in the 3/15/ 71 Parts Catalog.

Heres an excerpt from the W-1195 R2:

Parts not listed in this catalog for the specific vehicles that this catalog is issued for, are to be considered as not supplied for service by the Parts and Distribution Service Division.

 

Sparky, Do you have a timeline on your 3.73 Renegade axle ?

 

well, no....
I had three manuals spread out in front of me at the time I scanned and posted that info. The info comes from the latest/last printed edition of the last AMC version of the manual for 1973 and prior, F10XXX....whatever the number was; my cover is missing.

I don't believe the axle ratio would be Renegade package specific; merely an option the customer/dealer could choose.

 

I know mine is not a Renegade.

Here are a couple of pictures of the reflectors on my 1970 CJ6
Drivers rear had a spare tire bracket on other side Did not find a reflector on it.

Front reflectors with mounting blocks.

All were broken so I found some at FLAPS and replaced them added one to the pass side.

Andrew

 

Those reflectors look like the ones on my jeep