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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Malachai, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. Jan 7, 2009
    Malachai

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    So, I stated once that I have found a leak in my rear brake line, what I want to know now is, should I replace everything, or just that one line? I did alot of looking for parts, and realize that the PO or someone sometime down the road split this line for one reason or another and put a coupling in the middle of it. All other lines appear to be good at this point, and with money a little tight after the holidays and such...but am I just asking for more trouble with only replacing the one steel line?
     
  2. Jan 7, 2009
    juffer

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    Why reparing things that are still good?
    I should not do that.

    Greetings

    Juffer
     
  3. Jan 7, 2009
    timgr

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    Re Juffer's comment, it's a philosophical question. Some people like to replace things before they break, so they would replace all the brake lines. Others think they aren't getting their money's worth from the parts until they break.

    I usually do more than I should ... it's satisfying to repair the systems until they are in like-new condition. Plus problems never come along one at a time, so some preventative maintenance can often make the downtime more manageable - it takes less time to repair problems (actual or expected) in batches than one at a time.

    Brake line is cheap - I'd replace as much as I could without too much effort. Once you get set up for the job, it goes quickly. The tools can be expensive though - you need a good flaring tool and a tubing bender, plus some way to bleed the brakes. Materials won't be very expensive unless you discover some other problems.

    The first thing I'd do is to see if I can remove the offending line. Brake fittings can be a real pain to remove ... not so much of a problem if you can destroy them, but harder if you need to reuse them. Another option is to get a length of flared tubing and cut out the compression fitting. Then slide on new nuts and double flare each end of the old tubing. Put in a new, short length with a couple of flare unions. This is all common parts store stuff except for the flare tool. Using a compression fitting on brake lines is very dangerous - you're lucky you found it before it blew off and you lost your brakes in a panic stop on the highway. Yikes.
     
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    Malachai

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    I usually take the easy route and spend a little more for someone else to do the work and just pick up a pre-bent kit. The cheapest kit I have found so far is about $115 at rigidsteel...so I may just go with that, considering I have found tubing at $30, then I would have to buy/rent the tools to bend it and flare it and stuff...
     
  5. Jan 7, 2009
    timgr

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    Yeah, but then you have the tools :smash: :smash: :smash:

    If you ask around, you can probably borrow the flare tool from someone. Then the patch-up job is easy.

    Be sure to use a line wrench to put this stuff together ... the Craftsman ones are fine.
     
  6. Jan 7, 2009
    w3srl

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    What Tim said. I tend to overdo things, but then brakes is one area that it pays not to scrimp on.

    In any event, you need to get rid of that "coupling", it is probably a compression fitting that was never intended for use on a brake system. You could probably get away in the short term with simply replacing the section of line that has the coupling in it with a pre-fabbed section of brake line from your FLAPS. Bleed well, and check for leaks before driving.

    After you solve this little issue it would probably be a good idea to inspect the brake lines from bumper to bumper, looking for corrosion on the steel lines and cracking & deterioration on the rubber lines. My line of thinking here is that if the prior owner had to splice a steel line in the middle, it probably rusted through. If that one rusted that badly, there's probably another that's just about ready to go.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2009
    drexotic

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    Pictures! . . . I'd love to see a picture of that coupling! . . . Could it be something else?

    :uwop:
     
  8. Jan 7, 2009
    Vanguard

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    I think you'll find that any of the pre-bent kits will need work to. I've been down this road a couple of times and have always found it better to make my own.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2009
    Malachai

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    LOL, I will see what I can do to get a pic of it, its kinda dark under there though! :D

    Got a pic...

    View attachment 24952

    Hope that helps! :D
     
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    Vanguard

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    That coupler looks like a proper brake line fitting. the line on the right doesn't look too good.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2009
    w3srl

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    Looks like the PO needed a brake line stretcher. :)

    <just kidding>

    I agree that the line on the right looks like it's seen better days.
     
  12. Jan 7, 2009
    timgr

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    Looks like it's been tightened with an open-end or adjustable wrench, and both nuts have been damaged. Any wrench other than a line wrench will distort the nut and cause leaks. May have sealant on it too, which is a no-no.
     
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  13. Jan 8, 2009
    Malachai

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    heh, problem solved, at least for the time being, turns out the coupling was not tight, turned a full quarter turn! Bled the brakes this morning, going to do another bleeding on them in the next couple days, just to make sure we got all the air out, its still a little loose...got my vin inspection done today, sheriff came by and checked it out for me...now all I have to do is put plates on it! :D
     
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