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T98 VS Terra low 3.15

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jon, Jul 13, 2004.

  1. Jul 13, 2004
    jon

    jon New Member

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    after 7 years of trail riding with a totally stock cj3b I broke down and put in a roll cage and 34 950 15 tsl swampers. I like the added ground clearance but I am too fast in low now.
    My question is, do I put in a t98, or get a terra low? I understand the ratio difference But how low do I need to go? I have a t98 with the right input shaft and the bearing retainer but no front adapter, I have the rear adapter, but the output shaft although the right length, has 10 splines not six . no one seems to know what the trans came out of with the 10 spline out put. I have a correct t18 output shaft but they are slightly different and i dont think it will fit.

    I just dont know if it will be worth all the work to swap in the t98(drive shafts , pto shaft ) plus the loss of ground clearance. That t98 is big compared to my t90. Sorry so long but I want some opinions.

    I promise to take some pictures in august on our trail ride and post them .
    Thanks ,
    jon
     
  2. Jul 13, 2004
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    How low? Much depends on where you wheel.
    10 years ago I had a T18 installed in my '71, replacing the stock T14. Major improvement offroad!
    Last summer I rebuilt my D18 tcase. I had the time and cash available to install a 3.15 kit. I considered where I wheel, and just how often do I find that my 6.32 T18/D18/3.73 combo is not low enough for what I want to do...

    Almost never.

    So I opted to leave it as-is, no sense spending $600 on the TeraLow kit that will not benefit me where I wheel. If I spent more time on rocks, then I might want to increase my crawl ratio from ~58 to ~74 with the 3.15 kit, but mostly where we go is loose shale or mud.

    Looking forward to your pics Jon!! :)

    If I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with the tranny. Although more work to install, the T98 will be bulletproof compared to the T90.
     
  3. Jul 13, 2004
    Boyink

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    Gearing on the brain here too.

    The CJ6 I just bought has the same T18 as Lynn, but with 5.38's in the axles for a crawl in the low 80's.

    Cool. But in Michigan with the odd (very odd) trip to rocks somewhere?

    I'm pretty much planning on swapping in the axles I have with 4.27's instead. Much more streetable/all 'round driveable, especially "someday" when I get that Warn OD....
     
  4. Jul 13, 2004
    jon

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    I use my jeep primarily on trails, rocks and mud, I know the t98 is bullet proof but how much can you damage with an f head?
     
  5. Jul 13, 2004
    willysworker

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    short version. Keep the T90 and go with the Tera-low. The T98 is too big and tall. You will loose ground clearnce and spend as much in modifications as the Tera-Low, both of which you already stated. Long version: I went through this same escalating string of modifications. Tires,safety equipement,gears,suspension and now completing a 225 conversion. While I am happy with the changes, my advise is, keep all changes simple and you will be happier in the long run. My personal choice was to sell my complete T98a. See articule on CJ3B website about T98a transmissions. I decided in favor of the O'Brian Rockeater 4.86 Mdl. 18. Expensive, yes but my 3A is a whole different rig because of it, and no modifications. Second or third gear are the norm but 1st is great in the techical rock stuff. By the way, Willys tech had factory T98A adaptors listed for sale. Good Luck
     
  6. Jul 13, 2004
    jon

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    I want to keep it simple, thats the thing. how much was the obrien kit? where did you get it.
     
  7. Jul 13, 2004
    fred

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    The O'Brien is high quality craftsmanship but more money and worth it. I have a T-18, Dana 20 with your 2.46:1 low range and 4.56 gears. I only use 1st and 2nd gears on the trail.
     
  8. Jul 14, 2004
    lynn

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    Jon, the last time I talked to Jack O'Brien on prices was in the spring of '99. I still have the price list here... <rustling/shuffling papers> ... ;)

    The 4.86 gear sets were $1529.00. The D18 case needs milled, then blocked and welded, he charged an additional $225 for that on your case, or do a core swap. If you have a 1 1/8" intermediate shaft, he charged $35 more to bore the hole to 1 1/4". Then of course there is shipping, etc.

    I don't know what Jack's prices are now.

    I agree that Jack's engineering of these gears is top notch, from the detailed discussions I had with him. I eventually decided to pass based on my usage, and the fact I already had my T18 installed. Oh yeah, the $$$$ was a factor too :(

    Details of the install in a D18 can be found in the November 1998 edition of Four Wheeler magazine, on page 108.

    Contact Jack at:
    O'Brien's 4 Wheels West
    1302 Hidden Court
    Roseville, CA 95661
    (916)773-3278

    HTH, good luck, keep us posted!!
     
  9. Jul 14, 2004
    jon

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    I just got off the phone with mister o brien. Very interesting. I guess it is going to come down to $. I would like to get his gear set and leave my t 90 in my jeep , smaller lighter etc.,But, I already have the t98 At this point I only need the front adapter plate, and to make some driveshafts. I know I could sell the t98 to help fund the gears but he is talking $2400 for the 4.86 to one gears.

    I am starting to think I should just go back to my 700 16 ndt tires, If I put the t98 in I will loose most of the ground clearance I gained with the 34 950's

    I dont want my jeep to turn into a JP magazine project ,42's rockwells ,etc!!!
     
  10. Jul 14, 2004
    timgr

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    For that amount of money, you can buy a T18-D300 adapter, change the D300 to 4:1, install a centered rear axle and your T98 (assuming the T98 will work with the T18 transfer case adapter).
    6.40*4.0*5.38=138:1 crawl ratio.

    Either that, or compromise with a Tera kit and a somewhat shorter tire.
     
  11. Jul 14, 2004
    jon

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    I know! But see here we go, Why dont I throw a ramjet in there too! how about yj spring over? Rock ram steering, High pinion 60's
    etc. You know If I had a job I wouldn't have all this time to think about this stuff!
     
  12. Jul 14, 2004
    DanStew

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    Actually you wont lose any ground clearance with the T98. I am installing mine using the original T98 crossmember and it really isnt that low as you would think. the Tranny actually dips down only to the crossmember bottom, then there is a skidplate. The T98 crossmember is EXACTLY the same as my T90 crossmember, with the exception of a differnt tranny mount, and the T98 skidplate is larger to compensate for the legthn, but it is the exact same place as the t90 setup, it will not make you lose ground clearance. It will add a bit of weight but nothing that would be so noticable. The T98 would be a great thing and much cheaper. And it is definately more bulletproof than the T90, my T90 was just about to give up the ghost, the front bearing wasnt doing so well .
     
  13. Jul 14, 2004
    Jeepnut67

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    Jon, you dont mention which diff gears you have. I've driven a CJ with 4.88's for a long time and when I get in my brothers CJ with 3.73's I keep trying to shift one more gear below 1st. Especially with the 33's on it. A lot of what you are experiencing could be just that you arent used to the slightly higher gearing with the taller tires. Perhaps you cold drop down to a 33 or 32" tall tire too. Although I've gone from 29's to 33's and it didnt seem like that big of a difference to me.
     
  14. Jul 14, 2004
    jon

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    I have 5.38 axle gears. cant go much lower there.
     
  15. Jul 14, 2004
    willysworker

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    Jon, this contact ( Dmeach@aol.com ) was given on the WillysTech site for T98a adaptors. He might have your missing part. I found the T98a 's value to be more to a restorationist than to me. I sold it for $900., it was complete. Maybe you could get a good price for yours and pay for the TeraLow 3.15.
     
  16. Jul 14, 2004
    DanStew

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    :D That would be me with the parts.. i have already sold them off.
     
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