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Axle centering bolts

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by RedWing, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. Nov 5, 2007
    RedWing

    RedWing Member

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    Does anyone know what size centering bolts are commonly used on a flanged one piece Dana 44 rear end? The spring perch holes are 5/8", but the corresponding bolt portion that goes through the leaf springs (at least the ones on my jeep) is to think for the holes in the springs.

    Should the springs be drilled out to match? The centering bolts that will pass through the springs have a head that is two small to work properly in the holes on the perch that center the axle.
     
  2. Nov 5, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    To think? Too thick???

    Go to NAPA and get the proper centering pin, don't try to drill the springs out. JMO.

    Don't know the sizes but I know that's where mine came from.
     
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    CJ-X

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    I would make the holes bigger in the springs. Centering bolts break too easily.
     
  4. Nov 5, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Too easily? I've only broke one and that was in my '68 Firebird shifting too hard from 1-2.

    Why not just get the proper pin? They're not hard to find.
     
  5. Nov 5, 2007
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Proper pin is the right way to go. They come in several shank (the part through the spring) to pin.
     
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    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Very easy to get new bolts/pins, just replaced one last week.
    Far easier to replace a bolt once in a blue moon than drill out 2 or 4 spring packs.
     
  7. Nov 6, 2007
    CJ-X

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    It's not too hard really. If you already have it apart. I know some people who are successful just using a drill. But I have used a carbide bit in an air drill that worked pretty easy. The rear axle always seems to be the ones that don't last, I run 3/8 inch pins in those, and they do not seem to break. You can get them at your auto parts store. Making the head fit in the spring mount is very important. You do not want to have slop in that hole. If you have to go to a 3/8 " pin to make the head fit, you will be better off in both areas.
     
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  8. Nov 6, 2007
    RedWing

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    I was able to get the bolts easy enough. I needed 5/8" to fit in the hole on the spring perch. The problem with the 5/8" heads is the shank won't fit through the springs. All of the shanks I could find that would fit through the springs had a head that was just to small for the axle.

    Are you saying you can get the 5/8" head with a shank small enough to fit through the springs? If so I'll keep looking.
     
  9. Nov 6, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    They come in a variety of sizes. The stock application centering pins are available. Several of us here have purchased them. So yes, we're saying they're out there.

    Unless you have springs that are different from stock or something?
     
  10. Nov 6, 2007
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    I used 3/8 grade 8 bolt with a rounded off 1/2 nut as a spacer on my springs.
     
  11. Nov 6, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    If I were you I'd read what's been written in the past here about spring centering pins.

    Side sheer strength isn't a strong point for a Grade 8 bolt, they aren't recommended for this application for that reason.
     
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    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    all the pins do is center the axle. the ubolts hold them in place (why I used 1/2" ones instead of 7/16").
     
  13. Nov 6, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Ok
     
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    AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

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    The hole in the spring pad on my 44 was wallowed out from movement caused by a broken pin. Ended up welding it shut and redrilling so it fits the bolt head perfect. Worked good.
     
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    CJ-X

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    RedWing

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    one of my holes has worked its way oblong. I don't have the welding skills to cover that one. Any other ideas?
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Ok, read this thread, this is the thread I was referring too:
    http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3812&highlight=centering+pin

    Bottom line, I stand by what I said, use the correct item for the application. Get a centering pin. I didn't intend for this to turn into the age old Grade 8 vs. Grade 5 debate. Though that is an informative article. Thank you.

    Now I understand where the issue is if the spring pad is wallowed out. If others have drilled spring packs before then I'd give that a go and use the larger centering pin shank.
     
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    AKCJ

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    Yeah. I don't weld either (yet). So . . .

    1. Hire a welder. It's such a small job you would probably only have to pay for 1/4 hour of labor ($25 here at our shop). The hardest part would be delivering your rig to the welding shop because you can't drive it with the springs removed. Use a trailer? Have the welder come to your place? Remove the axle and take it to the welding shop?

    2. Another idea might be to drill it out to a larger diameter and use a spring bolt with a larger head. I would not prefer this method but it "might" work.

    HTH
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Axle isn't that heavy or difficult to remove in the worst case this is a good idea.
     
  20. Nov 6, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Well I drilled firefighter mikes springs out to except larger bolts. I ended up using a carbide endmill as the spring was so dam tough it burned the tip off of 3 top quality drills to the point I had to grind off about 3/8" to be able to resharpen them right.
     
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