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Which headers to use?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by groomer_guy, Jul 15, 2007.

  1. Jul 15, 2007
    groomer_guy

    groomer_guy Member

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    I was thinking about putting headers on my 71' . It has a 225 :v6: and currently has stock exhaust manifolds and exhaust. The muffler has a hole in it because while in the woods I got too close to a rock :rofl: oh well. Although my JEEP sounds kind of cool I would like to have headers and pipes out the sides. Where should I start looking and what do I need to know? I have another question about the exhaust.....why is the part of the pipe by the engine crimped? My guess is this could restrict the exhaust flow just a bit. Thanks for any help.

    -Jim-

    1971 CJ5 225:v6: w/ HEI 45,000 +/- miles
    2005 GMC 6.6L Duramax Diesel - Daily driver and tow rig
    1994 Tucker T1000 cummins 4BT turbo diesel, 12,000lb warn winch - used for grooming snowmobile trails.

    -Real trucks are diesel- unknown
     
  2. Jul 15, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Personally having side pipes and headers on mine, I'd keep the exhaust and replace the muffler.

    Sidepipes are loud and stinky and hot.

    Otherwise, 4WDH and other parts houses of the like have headers for the 225.

    I'd suggest using the search, we've talked about headers and exhaust quite extensively here.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    I have the same set of Hedmans on mine that I put on in 1992. They have no holes in them and have been repainted once (2 years ago) with Eastwood exhaust and Header paint. The drivers side has leaked for the last 1 year or so, I dropped it after repainting it and the flange seal was slightly bent, I straightened it but it didn't quite hold a seal and started leaking about a year after installation. The new ones have the ball seal on them and are pretty much impervious to leaking at the collector like mine is doing now.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2007
    groomer_guy

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    Thanks guys. I forgot about the search feature. I will try that.

    -Jim-

    1971 CJ5 225 OF w/HEI
    2005 GMC 2500HD Duramax Diesel
    1994 Tucker T1000 sno-cat
     
  5. Jul 16, 2007
    lamar

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    if i had my time over i would have never put headers on my 67 cj.when my headers wear out i will put the original exhaust manifolds back on for the same reasons sparky said.
     
  6. Jul 16, 2007
    dauntless_powered

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    advance adapters make a great header, many guys here have said they last a very long time, i bought them for my 71, but i am not at that stage in my rebuild yet, im sure they are going to be loud, but oh well.......
     
  7. Jul 16, 2007
    66cj5

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    make sure you put the longest muffler on the header. I got 2 noise tickets from the hedman mufflers (>92 decibals). Somehow I got 25" long glass packs to fit under the body.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2007
    Chilly

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    Why would headers make your exhaust system louder? So long as you used similar components downstream of the header I cannot imagine any reason they'd be louder. However, it seems that most people inclined to use headers also have an affinity for glasspacks.
     
  9. Jul 16, 2007
    sparky

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    The whole length of the stock exhaust tends to dampen the sound, not just the muffler.

    But even then, as I noted, side exit exhaust. You can't fit a muffler that's too long there. Downstream of the header is the collector, then the muffler then turnouts. there's not much room to play with.

    So not as much the headers, I don't think anyone said that, but a function of what having headers entails.
     
  10. Jul 16, 2007
    sparky

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    FWIW, my Jeep has dual turbo mufflers on it.
     
  11. Jul 16, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Same here. Hedmann headers, Header buddys at the collector (ball seal) then Thrush Turbos, about $17 at Pep Boys, then some 90* turn outs I wekded a small tab onto my rock rails, and have an axhaust hanger bolted to it, supporting it at the turnout end.

    The turbos have a good sound for a cheap muffler, not too loud (I hated the cherry bombs!) . And they are replaced cheaply if you punch holes in them ;)
     
  12. Jul 16, 2007
    farfle

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    Gotta agree with the header owners. The PO on my jeep only did two major mods from stock. DUI, +100points. Headers, -100points. Soon as I can find a way to convert back to stock for cheap, I will.
     
  13. Jul 16, 2007
    dauntless_powered

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    i just fired the jeep today for the first time, i am running AA headers only right now (not on the road yet) and i was surprised at how quiet they were compared to my headmans on my 70'
     
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  14. Jul 16, 2007
    Chris Insull

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    FWIW, I've been running the AA headers for over 10 years with no problems! Thick flanges are major plus compared to other brands I've run on other vehicles. (read as NO leaks!) The only thing I'd do different is spring fo the Jet Hot coating, or some other similar quality treatment. Although they aren't even close to rusting thru, it would have made them stay looking better and assist in the exhaust "exit"... JMHO.
     
  15. Jul 16, 2007
    drexotic

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    I have an inexpensive set of fender well headers on my '73 with glass packs and pipes to the rear of the Jeep. They are 1)rusty (guess I should repaint them), 2) Louder than stock (but not to the ticket level), 3) they are not hot (unless you touch them . . . that is they add no heat when in the Jeep or standing along side it), and MOST IMPORTANTLY, 4) they sound very cool!
    Just the 18 year old (left) in me!
     
  16. Jul 16, 2007
    sparky

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    What's the trick? I can feel the heat off of mine coming in the door. :rofl:

    I'd like to keep exhaust from coming in too, but that's a pipe dream as long as I have side exit exhaust.
     
  17. Jul 16, 2007
    drexotic

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    I think the trick is the pipes gong out the back (rather than dumping out the end of the glass pack).
    If I've really got my foot into the gas pedal my headers will get hot enough to glow.
    I also have those (big) Willys fenders on the front end . . . that may help some.
     
  18. Jul 16, 2007
    MOP

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    I think the thickness of the cast manifolds might muffle the sound a bit......but maybe I'm dreaming
     
  19. Jul 16, 2007
    sparky

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    :sigh:

    I don't have glasspacks as noted above. I have dual turbo mufflers with turnouts. I know folks have done a rear exit exhaust with outside frame headers but it's a chore.

    MOP, you're right, headers do "ping" more than cast manifolds.
     
  20. Jul 17, 2007
    firegod33

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    I'd happily go back to stock manifolds if I could find some. I had all the same problems Sparky has. I have/had the same setup. I'm thinking about building my own between the rail headers during my build. Fenderwell exit headers= bad idea.
     
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