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Stock wheels after disk conversion

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by J33P, May 7, 2007.

  1. May 7, 2007
    J33P

    J33P New Member

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    Hello all,

    I have converted my front D25 on my 47' CJ2A over to disks using mid 70's brackets and clipers and the thick rotors. Now obviously my stock wheels won't work.

    What has other used to keep the stock look with a disk brake setup. I still want to run the NDT skinny tires. I am leaving the rear with the drum setup.

    I am just looking for a plain steel wheel that will fit over the disk brake setup. I guess a 16x4.5 ? HAven't been able to track anything down smaller then a 16x7

    Thanks
     
  2. May 7, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    stock 16" should work with discs, IIRC
     
  3. May 7, 2007
    J33P

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    The wheels I have are the ones that are riveted to the outer ring. The caliper and bracket hit it.

    I was thinking maybe using some wheel spacers if I can't find wheels. I have heard bits and pieces that the welded type of stock wheels (from a GPW?) will work.

    Hope some of the braniacs on here would know :)
     
  4. May 7, 2007
    J33P

    J33P New Member

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    Oops, I posted in the wrong forum.

    Sorry

    I'll post this in the Flat Fender TEch, if it can be deleted that would be great
     
  5. May 7, 2007
    1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

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    Believe it or not.. Suzuki Samuria rims fit the bolt pattern... not sure on missing the disc brake hardware, mine are still drums. And are 15 on 5.5 .
    the offset from the mounting surface to the inside (toward the drum) seems to be 3 1/2 inches. Don't know if you can get them in 16's either. Discount tire carries them, if you can't find someone selling them.:) :coffee:
     
  6. May 7, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    :moderator note:
    Moved per user request.
     
  7. May 7, 2007
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    The OEM rims from a '77-up CJ work perfectly, they are a 15x6 rim though. It may take some digging but they are out there, oh and I almost forgot, Scout rims from the same vintage will also work!
     
  8. May 7, 2007
    Coho Willy

    Coho Willy New Member

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    For what it's worth, 16" stock wheels from an FC 150 do not fit over the disc conversions. Fortunately, they were bought at the right price with decent rubber. I bought 1 1/8" spacers so I could move the chassis in the garage with these wheels, with the thought that I'll buy new wheels and tires once this journey of a resto-mod is done. Good luck.
     
  9. May 7, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    That's interesting about the FC150 wheels, since CJ 16" wheels will clear 11" brake drums, the caliper on a disk brake is roughly the same size from what I'm able to ascertain.
     
  10. May 7, 2007
    J33P

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    Hmm I think it might be tight with a 15. I am hoping to find someone in the area with a CJ 15 inch wheel I can test fit. I'd like to run NDT tires, so would I not have to use a 4 or 5 inch wide rim?
     
  11. May 7, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    What Steve says is correct, remember that disk brakes were available on the '76 and up CJs and they only had 15" wheels.
     
  12. May 7, 2007
    jalbrecht55

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    I have what appear to be stock type 16 x 4.5" steels; they clear 11" drums fine, but won't clear with the discs that I tried. (I did a test fit on my friend's D27 w/ discs, I'm going to guess he had the chevy calipers on his). It probably wouldn't take a very thick spacer to make it work. We were able to loosely bolt the rims on and gently set the jeep down on the ground, but the rims were on a little cockeyed--either jammed against the caliper or jammed against the tie rod end, I don't recall--maybe both?

    The only other thing I recall, is that in his swap he had the rotors pressed on BEHIND the hub flange, so it's slightly narrower than it would have been with drums. In other words, if you added back that 1/8" to 3/16" per side (with a spacer), they may have cleared, and it would then be exactly the same width as it was originally with drum brakes.
     
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  13. May 7, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Good information. Thanks for sharing that.
     
  14. May 7, 2007
    J33P

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    I have about 4 or 5 extra stock wheels, The size fits, it's the lip in between the riveted spots that is hitting.

    I think I'll modify 2 of them so I can move it around and such. I'll just cut that lip and either bend it back and weld it to the outer ring or just remove it , I would prefer to bend it back and re-weld it. In the end I should end up with a soild section rather then the type with the gaps in between the rivited sections

    http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/photos/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=16390

    I hope that makes sense.
     
  15. May 7, 2007
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

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    What's it hitting? Any chance you could grind a little meat off the caliper or bracket to make it clear? Doesn't sound like you need much.
     
  16. May 7, 2007
    J33P

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    Seems to be both the caliper and the bracket. Probably get a better look tonight and snap some pics for info purposes.
     
  17. May 7, 2007
    Jack Frost

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    I have (4) 16" x 5" wheels off of a scout sittin' in the shed. If you're anywhere nearby, they're yours for the asking.
     
  18. May 8, 2007
    J33P

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    Ok, so I decided to get the old 4 1/2 inch grider going last night. I started with the rim and took off the materiel that was hitting.

    Before:
    http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/photos/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=19050

    After:
    http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/photos/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=19065

    Did a test fit and still had some rubbing. I have read a few writeups of people having to grind the calipers. There is alot of meat on these Cevy calipers so I took some materiel off:

    Seen here after I was don't. Probably close to 1/4 inch in the thicker section
    http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/photos/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=19095

    After another test fit, there was still a rib of rubbing, the edge of the caliper bracket was rubbing so I ground off 1/8 off it.
    http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/photos/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=19089

    Also ground a bit of the ears of the calipers and a bit off the edge of the pads as they touched a bit. I am missing some type of spring clip that goes here:
    http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/photos/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=19098

    It wasn't in the caliper box, jsut the two slider bolts and a spring slip to hold the inner pad to the caliper pistion. Anyways, I am sure I can find something somewhere.

    After I bolts the wheel back on, no rubs. I think I will do about a 1 inch bead at each section of the wheel there the rivets are, I am sure it can't hurt.

    Thoughts? Comments? I don't think take that materiel off the rim is going to have any effects, especially with the 7.00x16 NDT tires.

    Thanks
     
  19. May 8, 2007
    J33P

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    Thank you very much for the offer. If I was, I would!
     
  20. May 8, 2007
    jd7

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    only problem I can see would be trying to balance the tire and wheel combination, but it's doable good luck:beer:
     
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