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rocker arm not getting oil

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by GwarJ5, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. Mar 25, 2007
    GwarJ5

    GwarJ5 New Member

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    My 225 is not getting oil to the drivers side rocker arm. I had the motor rebuilt and i just installed the motor. I searched the forum and tried compressed air down the head and in the rocker arm assembly and a heavy gauge wire down the oil passages. Still no oil, there is massive ticking coming from the drivers side head. I dont know to much about the camshaft groove mentioned that feeds oil to the motor, I just assumed the rebuilder installed it correctly and the camshaft was original. I did not find a cam button on the motor could that be the issue? I am worried for the fresh emgine and dont want to damage it. I installed the new oil pump, i dont know if you can do that wrong? Is the timing cover an issue, it is the part i did not replace? What about the camshaft seal is there a wrong way to install it? Please help!!! I dont want my new 225 to die after putting so much money in to it.
     
  2. Mar 25, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    The cam button will not be an issue in this instance at all. Make sure the wire goes down evenly the same depth on both heads. The heads ofa hole on both ends but the block only oils from one end. The front bearing will need to be installed the proper way to insure oil to the rockers. The pushrods for the 225 are solid and have no oil holes in them. What seal are you talking about on the cam? Don't assume that the rebuilder put the front cam bearing in the right way, anything is possible.
     
  3. Mar 31, 2007
    GwarJ5

    GwarJ5 New Member

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    Well I took the motor out and sent it back to the rebuilder, on first inspection he noticed a couple slightly bent pushrods and the strange thing was only half the lifters were pumped up? I remember priming them by soaking them in oil then pumping them up manually with a spare pushrod. He is going to check the cam bearing and see if it was installed properly, but why would some lifters be pumped up and some not? thanks for the help, love this forum :)
     
  4. Mar 31, 2007
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    had this happen to me first hand experience,dont ask me why,but this is what happened to me,rebuilt a 225 used the orignial timing gears and chain,they looked good,followed the chiltons to the T,lined up the timing marks put it together and bent every valve in it ,tore it down 3x to the same effect,the timing marks on the cam gear were wrong and so was the chiltons:mad: this cam gear had spokes in it and a small hole drilled in one of the spokes,that was the timing mark:? also had the normal dot for a timing mark,but it did not line up with anything!,never did get oil to the left hand bank,sold it,but looking back i could have had the headgasket on wrong blocking the oil flow to that side,hope it all works out for ya:rofl:
     
  5. Mar 31, 2007
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    as far as bent pushrods go,the lifters not pumping up should have not caused this,for the noise,the lifters will cause this or no oil psi
     
  6. Apr 1, 2007
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    This is gonna sound strange but its true......some lifters you dont prime.

    Sparky what kind were they?
     
  7. Apr 1, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Comp Cams. The instructions were very specific. I soaked in oil but did not pump up.
     
  8. Apr 1, 2007
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    That *could* explain the bent pushrods, not enough room in there and the weakest link is the pushrod since oil won't compress.

    I'm not super-familiar with the internals of the V-6. Are there multiple oil holes in the cam bearing, with a different hole for each bank?
     
  9. Apr 1, 2007
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    were the push rods replaced? was the head or block machined? it has been a long time since i worked on one of these,some engines have no valve adjustment<not saying this engine is like that>but the ones like that if the head or block is decked,you have to buy ever how much was removed eg .030 shorter push rod if that was the total decked if they were replaced they could be the wrong ones or bent when they were put in if it was overlooked,grasping @ straws now
     
  10. Apr 1, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    You can't actually pump up hydraulic lifters, it takes oil pressure to do that. What you are doing by soaking in oil and pumping the pushrod pad is actually bleeding the air out not pumping them up.

    Yes Steve the front cam bearing feeds both oil galley's for the lifters and mains thru 2 holes in the front cam bearing, if they are not lined up right the oil will be severely restricted. If the cam an lifters are not being oiled properly on the 225 then the mains are not properly oiled either.

    There are no valve adjustments for the 225's stock rockers, so yes if they milled to much off the heads pushrod intereference can be a problem, there is only so much movement in the lifter plunger to account for valve lash and machining tolerances.
     
  11. Apr 3, 2007
    GwarJ5

    GwarJ5 New Member

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    My pushrods were not replaced, I will mention this to the builder about the deck height and the possibility that they are too long. The lifters were brand new, so was the cam. Fromwhat I remember in the instruction for the lifters it said to soak them followed by pumping? I remember rolling the pushrods on the flat workbench at the shop and all the rods turned nice and true, so the bending happened after they were installed. I am going back to the builder Thursday and we will see what he has come up with. Thanks again for the help :)
     
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