1. Registration trouble? Please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom right corner of the page and your issue will be resolved.
    Dismiss Notice

416 info needed... bad!

Discussion in 'Jeep Trailer Tech' started by $ sink, Mar 4, 2007.

  1. Mar 4, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    I need to know the bolt patern on a 416 trailer?
    will CJ rims fit on one?
    were they originally 12v or 24v lighting?

    anyone near by got a set of 416 rims with usable tires I could borrow for a week or so?:rofl:
     
  2. Mar 4, 2007
    Zoomer

    Zoomer eJeeper (walking) 2020 Sponsor

    Minnesota
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    829
    Bolt pattern is 5 on 5 1/2 same as CJ. Center hole size might be different as I'm pretty sure they are hub-centric rather than lug-centric. Lug nuts are different as they are not tapered.

    Lights were originally 24V. Can directly replace with 12V bulbs. Wiring is different than normal trailers as it doesn't use the frame for ground.

    I've got a couple of spare rims, but I'm a little far away....
     
  3. Mar 4, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    thanks for the info Mark, may be easier to go buy tires and be done with it.
     
  4. Mar 4, 2007
    sparky

    sparky done Staff Member Founder

    Toowoomba, QLD
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,067
    Center hole is smaller.

    The wheels fit the MUTT rather than the MD.

    BUT a CJ wheel should fit on a M416 and not vice-versa. I don't know why it wouldn't work. Same bolt pattern.
     
  5. Mar 4, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    that's what I thought, looking at them. should be able to change lug nuts and the cj wheels should bolt up.
     
  6. Mar 4, 2007
    sparky

    sparky done Staff Member Founder

    Toowoomba, QLD
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,067
    Yup. Just don't put M416/MUTT wheels on a CJ5.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2007
    Zoomer

    Zoomer eJeeper (walking) 2020 Sponsor

    Minnesota
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    829
    I think the CJ wheels will work, although they'll stick our further as they don't have the same offset as the original trailer wheels. IIRC, the CJ lug nuts won't work as they are a different thread diameter and pitch than the M416 ones, might have to buy new lug nuts. If you try to mount a CJ wheel with the M416 lug nuts, it's hard to get it centered just right (lug vs hub centric). If your not going fast or a only short distance it may be fine. This is all from memory, which aint what it used to be.
     
  8. Mar 5, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    What is the best place to buy a set of 700-16 NDTs?
     
  9. Mar 5, 2007
    sparky

    sparky done Staff Member Founder

    Toowoomba, QLD
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,067
    What Zoomer said, I wasn't recommending it for a long period of time, just saying it'll work...
     
  10. Mar 5, 2007
    schardein

    schardein Low Range Therapy

    Success, MO
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2003
    Messages:
    554
    I took the stock wheels off m y 416 and put old CJ 16x4.5 wheels on it. Wheel fits no problem but did have to get new lug nuts as the thread is different. The new lug nuts seem to be slightly to small in diameter in relation to the lug nut hole in the wheel. I'm not sure if this is because the lug nuts holes are worn a little oversize or what. It's almost bad enough where I was afraid the lug nut would bottom out on the hub. Maybe you can find a bigger diameter lug nut with the proper thread, but I couldn't. In any event, it works fine but I take mostly short trips with it. Longer trips I'd plan to make scheduled stops to give it a look over.

    Worst case scenario, I would knock out the old lugs, drill out the hub as needed, and install CJ lug studs.

    Or if the spindle/wheel bearings are the same, just swap in a complete CJ hub....hmmm I do have a couple spare hubs....
     
  11. Mar 5, 2007
    sparky

    sparky done Staff Member Founder

    Toowoomba, QLD
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,067
    You can swap the hubs on the trailer so the wheels match the CJ IIRC.

    The CDN M101 guys do it quite a bit so they have matching wheel bolt patterns.
     
  12. Mar 5, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    And I think I may have a spare set of hubs in my spares box...Hmmm:)
     
  13. Mar 5, 2007
    1963cj5

    1963cj5 Member

    N.C.
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    307
    I will give you a couple of 700-16 tires only if you come and get those axles..
     
  14. Mar 12, 2007
    CEEJAY5

    CEEJAY5 Jeep Addict

    Columbia, SC
    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    120
  15. Mar 12, 2007
    Chris Insull

    Chris Insull All roads lead me back to the beach... 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

    Misawa, Japan...
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    790
    Hope I'm not too late... I bought mine thru Coker Tire along with tubes and had a local Finks mount them for me. Randy I've got a pair of wagon wheels you could have if you just are looking for a "cheap" way to get it rolling... PM me if interested, I'm off until Saturday!
     
  16. Mar 12, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    Chris, thanks for the offer and the info. I bought a pair of NDTs from Universal tire. I got them mounted and hope to drag it to the house within the next few days.
     
  17. Mar 12, 2007
    Chris Insull

    Chris Insull All roads lead me back to the beach... 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

    Misawa, Japan...
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    790
    Cool, have fun with it! My BT3-C is spread out all over my shop...STILL!:rofl:
     
  18. Mar 12, 2007
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

    Virginia Bch
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,375
    I'll post a pic of this fine piece of military history, soon as I get my tetnus shot up to date:rofl:
     
  19. Mar 13, 2007
    Canadian 62

    Canadian 62 Member

    Kelowna BC
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Messages:
    61
    The safest way might be to drag it home on top of another street worthy trailer.
    On mine the springs were so rusted they had grown to twice the size, wiring was shot etc.
     
  20. Mar 14, 2007
    jollyjeepers

    jollyjeepers Member

    Roanoke, VA
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2003
    Messages:
    207
    Pete says no, not well. You would need to replace the studs or hub. We have wheels and tires you could borrow. Hey, I could send you a whole jeep (another frustrating story) right now with the Mutt wheels. :mad:

    B
     

Share This Page

New Posts