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Full Roll Cage Mounting in a fiberglass tub

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Wmi68CJ5, Jan 9, 2007.

  1. Jan 9, 2007
    Wmi68CJ5

    Wmi68CJ5 Let the Sun Shine!

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    Has anyone on this forum got pictures of a full roll cage mounted in a fiberglass tub? Looking for mounting ideas to the frame through the tub. Scratching my head a little on the roll bar portion over the wheel wells.
    Thanks
    Todd
     
  2. Jan 10, 2007
    JeepTherapy

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  3. Jan 10, 2007
    Lugnutz

    Lugnutz Jeepus Maximus

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    When I mounted my rollbar to the wheelwells, I used 1/2" thick aluminum plates cut 12" square. I then used West System epoxy to bond the plates to the body on the underside, and through bolted therollbar to candwich it all together. I feel it is very strong and I think that even in a roll over the plates would stay intact.
     
  4. Jan 11, 2007
    Wmi68CJ5

    Wmi68CJ5 Let the Sun Shine!

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    Another michigander with a fiberglass body amazing. Do you feel the fiberglass body would handle the stress of a roler over? My gut tells me that the fiberglass would tear around the plates. Just a thought. I have been trying to figure out how to attach the roll bar to the frame through the rear whell wells. The front attachment is also an issue. i was hoping somebody had built a sub frame for attachment and had some insight. Thanks for the info.

    todd
     
  5. Jan 11, 2007
    JeepTherapy

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    I actually have one glass body and one steel body. I prefer the steel one.

    Did you open the link I posted also? That link was to another jeep build. He made a sub frame so to speak... Do I think the fiberglass would hold up to a roll over? Not a chance! That's why I mounted my seats to the cage not the jeep. If my cage lets loose of the body so be it...

    I am going to run a piece of channel under the wheel well from the furthest rear bar to the middle bar. That will sandwich the body. Then from that I am going to run a tube straight down to the mount in the picture. That mount is incorporated into the bumper. On the middle bar I am going to do very similar. Except the poly bushing will be up at the top of the tube going to the wheel well. That tube I already have cut also and it is almost a J shape. I also plan to incorporate a rear shock mount into that tube. At the frame for the middle bar I am going to use a piece of 3" angle iron bolted to the frame.

    For the front four mounts (my cage has 8 mount points)I am going to build very similar. From the frame out I am going to use a piece of 2X4 stock cut to a taper. The wide end to the frame. Then another poly bushing where the mount will tie into the front and center tubes. Very similar to the existing body mounts. My cage mounts will then become part of the total body mounting.

    This isn't mine, but has some really good pictures of the frame. Mine will be similar only with bushings to shock mount the body.

    http://www.earlycj5.com/featured/reighard/

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  6. Jan 11, 2007
    High5

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    We bought my glass body from a place in Wisconsin called "Rivers and Roads". It is a 4wd.com body. When we picked it up we asked the guy what he thought. He then took us back to the shop where he showed us this enormous CJ5 with a glass body. He said that he had rolled it three times and the roll bar had not pushed through the body. However, I like the idea of getting it tied into the frame via poly mounts. I think solid mounts would crack at some point.

    High5
     
  7. Jan 11, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I realize that where the body mounts are the tub is likely to be more reinforced but dang, if putting a roll cage in a 'glass tub with the area of force spread out like it should be, I can't see that being worse than the small area of force that the body mount would concentrate the force in.
     
  8. Jan 12, 2007
    JeepTherapy

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    I agree with that to an extent. But keeping in mind that the body mounts only support the body. The fiberglass bodys are not all that heavy. In a roll over the roll bar would have to support the full weight of the jeep frame/axles/motor/trans ect...
     
  9. Jan 12, 2007
    Wmi68CJ5

    Wmi68CJ5 Let the Sun Shine!

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    Thanks for the info. I am rembering back to when I first found this site and I did see pictures of this jeep. Gettin' old memory is slippin'. Anyway, I tried to look at that link and the pics didn't come through on 46.6 kps dial up. I'll have to look at work on the system there. That is along the lines I was thinking also but I am going to build a sub frame for the glass body that will bolt to the stock body mount locations with some reiforcing. I am thinking it will give a a little more space for tires and really firm up the body.
     
  10. Jan 13, 2007
    Hawk62cj5

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    You could glass in some steel to reforce the mounting points .

    I agree with jeep therapy , mount the seat frames to the cage so even if the cage comes loose you will say in your shell.
     
  11. Jan 13, 2007
    sparky

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    True, but like I said, it's spread out over a much greater surface area as well.

    My roll cage covers the entire top of the rear fender. That's a pretty big surface area. Fiberglass isn't weak...

    I believe jpflat2a has shared his observations on this, he's seen several Jeeps rolled, both with steel and fiberglass and tied in and not. As I recall it didn't really matter all that much, most of the time if the driver was injured it was bad luck.
     
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