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The Art of Sanding Primer

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by DanStew, May 7, 2006.

  1. May 7, 2006
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Today i will have to sand the epoxy primer smooth in some palce sand scuff it up for th epaint coat. What do you guys suggest for sanding it down? I am thinknig more doing it by hand because the DA sander will cut throguh the primer pretty quick, or would the DA not be that bad? What grit? I was just going to use 180 grit, but i do have some 250 and a rubber sanding block to go over it all? Never seanded primer down, just pretty much sprayed and went to paint. So any tips would be great.
     
  2. May 7, 2006
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    400 wet by hand
     
  3. May 7, 2006
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    You mean i ahve to get wet :( I have never used wet sand papr, nor ever wetsand. For some reason it just never seemed right to me ;)
     
  4. May 7, 2006
    Phalanxx

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    i just watched on trucks where they wet sanded primer. they did use 400 grit, but used a spray bottle and not a water hose. all you need is enough to get the area alittle wet before you start on it. i have yet to do it, but it looked pretty easy and very time consuming...should get you away from the wife for a few hours...0=)
     
  5. May 7, 2006
    DanStew

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    Well for a jeep it doesnt take long, it took me about 15 minutes to get it all sanded smooth. I used 600 grit, and did it wet and dry at first i used a block, but ended up just using the sand paper on my hand. It worked fine. Watch the pressure cause it can cut throguh really easy. i did a good job, but for one little tiny spot that i went top the metal, and that was a raised spot. i am not going to kill myself over it, just going to paint it. I thoghut the epoxy priemr was going to be pretty tough, but it sanded nice. Next step is wipe it all down with laquer thinner and let dry and paint the sucker :)
     
  6. May 7, 2006
    mb82

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    Way to go dan
     
  7. May 7, 2006
    Phalanxx

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    cool beans. i am moving to florida in a couple of months maybe i can jot down and get some painting tips..0=)
     
  8. May 7, 2006
    tommy b

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    I agree, wet sanding is the way to get the surface smoother than a baby's butt. A couple of observations:

    1) I use something to back up the sandpaper. A block of wood or a hard sponge for flat surfaces and outside curves, a piece of radiator hose or heater hose for inside curves, etc. Using just my fingers generally gives an uneven surface result.

    2) When wet sanding, I use silicon carbide sandpaper (wet or dry paper, available at your flaps or any automotive paint store) It will not come apart when wet.

    3) 400 grit (U.S.) is probably the coarsest grit I would use for wet sanding. The larger the number, the finer the grit. Most places are now going to the European, or "P" designation. Up to 180 grit the "P" grades and the U.S. grades are the same. (e.g. 100 grti is the same coarseness as P100) After that, the P grades become coarser than the U.S. grades. For example, to get 400 grit U.S. in a "P" grade, you would have to get P800.

    4) Be very careful when sanding sharp ridges. Its very east to cut through the primer to the metal.

    Just my $.02 worth.

    tommy b
     
  9. May 7, 2006
    DanStew

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    Well i am in the middle of painting, and it looks like i will have top wet sand the final product a bit. Then buff out. i am getting some splatter. For some reason it is always at the starting poit of the jeep body. And i run the gun to test the spray on paper. Oh well, i am not broken hearted. Looks like i will be spending all day going in and out painting the body. it is going to get a few coats ;)
     
  10. May 7, 2006
    jd7

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    original cj5

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    Are you done yet? :toetap: :toetap: :toetap:
     
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    mpc

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    Dan, tell us what equipment you are using. Type of gun, paint etc.
    Thanks.
     
  13. May 7, 2006
    MCSCOTT

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    Looks like you are done with the sanding, but I will post any way. I always end up doing a lot of paint and body work here and there. For the most part on primer, I always use 400 wet using a spray bottle to keep the paper clean and always by hand on the final primer coat. Most times, I take a paint stick and break it to around 8" long to wrap the sandpaper around. Also, try to sand at an angle on the larger surfaces instead of any straight lines and never go in circles with it. Just my .02 from what I have learned from some body men around here.
     
  14. May 8, 2006
    tommy b

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    A good way to find low areas in your primer is to fog on a light coat of rattle can lacquer primer of a contrasting color If you have a light colored primer and you use black lacquer for the "guide coat" you will have black spots all over. When you wet sand with a block or paint stick, the first thing to go will be the spots. If you come across a low area, the spots will remain until you sand down to them. The trick is to get rid of all the black spots without sanding through to the metal in adjacent areas. Otherwise, you have to apply another coat of primer to the area, guide coat it again, and resand. In the attached pic you can see my Ford with the guide coat on, ready to be sanded. Hope this helps.

    tommy b
     
  15. May 8, 2006
    Bruce Hamilton

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    Nice old Ford. I usually put a little dish washing soap in my water spray bottle. It helps reduce the clogging of the sand paper and, in the finer grits, keeps the paper from sticking to the surface.
     
  16. May 9, 2006
    MCSCOTT

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    I was going to mention the guide coat, but I couldn't figure out a good way to explain it without causing someone to completely paint the whole vehicle. The pic you have should say it all on how to spray the guide coat.
     
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