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D30 install

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by eddyt, Apr 25, 2006.

  1. Apr 25, 2006
    eddyt

    eddyt Member

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    Well I finally got around to putting the D30 in tonight. I read Lynns write up on his install. I used the shims that I got from Mcruff. I also ran into the center pin being to short. Does any one know where to get any new ones? Also I used the D30 spring plates now the shocks do not fit? Does any one have any pics of their install or a link to a thread with some more info? Thanks Eddy
     
  2. Apr 25, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I just mentioned last week when I asked about shims for my D30 that NAPA carries centering bolts. ;)

    AFAIK you still need to use the stock spring plates.
     
  3. Apr 25, 2006
    eddyt

    eddyt Member

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    Thanks Sparky!! I will check them in the morning. When I changed out the D27 I used the D30 spring plates, they were a little bigger and it seemed like a good idea. The shocks hit the axil with the D30 plates. Do I need to move the shock mount? I must be missing something here. Oh well its been a long day.
     
  4. Apr 25, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Shocks in front or behind the axle on the 30? I thought they were different mounts for a D30 on a later Jeep? This is from a long time ago a discussion Lynn had in a previous version of the forum that may no longer exist, if my memory serves me correctly.
     
  5. Apr 25, 2006
    eddyt

    eddyt Member

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    The shocks were behind the axil on the D27. They are also behind the axil on the D30 plates. The ones I used are from a 76 cj5.
     
  6. Apr 25, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Mine are both in front on the 27 and on the 30 in my drive.

    You move the upper shock mount location to the rear of the axle as well?
     
  7. Apr 26, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Eddy, hope my PM explained things...
    ECJ5s should have the shock in front of the axle. Starting with the intermediates in '72, the shock was moved behind the axle, The D30 spring plates will not work unless you move the upper shock mount... this likely involves rerouting brake lines.
    The D27 plates should work for you, just like they did with the D27 that was in before. These should locate the shock in front of the axle, assuming stock configuration.

    As I said in the PM, I'm running JKS B2 skids, but they are designed for '72 up. To use these, they require machining (drill & tap a big hole) to match the upper shock mount on an ECJ5.
     
  8. Apr 27, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Eddy I didn't get the batteries last night :rofl: Batteries and pics tonight for sure!!
    Meanwhile, see my pic in Dondo's thread here:
    http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28482
    This shows my install of the D30 using the D27 spring plates, before I got the JKS skids.

    Here's a pic that shows both the upper and lower shock mount (again, the lower is the D27 spring plate). You can see they are configured to fit the shock in front of the axle.
     
  9. Apr 27, 2006
    Phalanxx

    Phalanxx Jeep Newbie

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    pm? did you say you pm'ed him? ack! =)
    i have a 30 awaiting to go in once i figure all this out too...would someone copy the pm to me please?
    =)
     
  10. Apr 27, 2006
    eddyt

    eddyt Member

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    sent you a pm phalanxx
     
  11. Apr 27, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Well to be honest I built a custom set of spring plates for my dana 30. I made them longer, and wider and drilled the proper size holes for the u-bolts. I actually built 2 sets and sold the 2nd set to someone on this board, can't remember who, it was about 1 1/2 years ago.
     
  12. Apr 27, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    I guess I am just not bright. Dad took my plates into the machine shop at work and they drilled the holes the right size and in the right place. You can't even tell it was done.
     
  13. Apr 27, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Jeff if your dada took the plates in and had them drilled there not in the right place as the stock plates don't have enough material on them to do this. They drilled the holes bigger and you can squeeze the bolts down, they'll work but will tend to bend a little after wheelin it for awhile. Nothing wrong with doing this just pay attention to them from time to time to make sure there not ripping around the bolt holes.
     
  14. Apr 27, 2006
    eddyt

    eddyt Member

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    Mcruff you making any more Mine are bent up.
     
  15. Apr 27, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Sent a PM!
     
  16. Apr 27, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    To be honest I don't think he even knows. Basicly he told the guy to do it and he did. We did have to squeeze a little but not much. New plates and U-bolts are on the list of things to make after Chia is done. Kinda one of those they work for now kinds of deals.
     
  17. Apr 28, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Here are some pics of my JKS B2 skid plates. These are 1" thick, nuts are recessed on the bottom so the bottom has no protrusions. All the holes were in the right location, except the lower shock mount. In these pics you can see where the new hole was added for the shock mount stud and the original hole filled with a bolt.
    In a couple of these pics you can see the installed 5 degree shim, and my extended bumpstops as well.
    Sure looks a bit different from when I did the nice clean install... :rofl: R)

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  18. Apr 28, 2006
    eddyt

    eddyt Member

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    Lynn, that looks good! That is what I needed to see. I talked to Mcruff yesterday about making me a new bigger spring pad. After looking at the old D27 pads they were getting tired and out of shape. the holes were getting close to the edge and the mounting bolt was bent on one of them. Time to upgrade. The one you have look interesting. Thanks for the time to post this! I need all the help I can get here lately.
     
  19. Apr 28, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Phalanxx... looks like Eddy covered you on my PM...
    I'll post it here for posterity in case anyone else is interested in making JKS skids work on an ECJ5...
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    Hey Lynn, what spring mounting plates did you use when you did your D30 swap? Thanks Eddy


    Good question Eddy... and there's a long story that goes with the answer
    Probably the easiest thing to do is to use the D27 plates. You might have to slot a couple of the holes.

    You can't use intermediate plates, because the intermediates have the shock mount behind the axle, while ECJ5s are in front of the axle... which takes me to my story

    When I did my swap, I knew I wanted spring skid plates. I did some research, and decided on JKS B2 skids, 1" thick solid steel. Yep, will fit all CJs from 1955 - 1975. I confirmed that with the owner/president of JKS, he assured me these will work, even though I was swapping axles. So the skids arrive, the bolt hole locations are perfect... but the stud for the shock is set up behind the axle So I called JKS, spoke to the boss, asked him if there was a mistake in machining. He got back to me after checking... No, they are all made this way and should fit...
    Enter the ECJ5 board guys... where I learned that all ECJ5s have shocks in front of the axle, all intermediates and later have them behind the axle.

    JKS wouldn't give me a break... they said send them back... or switch sides, weld up and redrill the ubolt patterns... or move my shocks to the rear; bad idea, would need to relocate brake lines... GRRRRR... I studied them for a bit, took some measurements, then went to a machinist co-worker here at work. The stud for the lower shock mount was a thread-in deal. I gave him the plates, asked him to drill and tap a hole in the front of the plate exactly like the one in the rear. He agreed there was enough room/stock to do it... did it overnight and charged me $10 I stuck a bolt in the rear hole.

    JKS now advertises these skids for '72 up. I told him to make them all with 2 holes, one front, one back, so he could cover all the years... I guess he didn't see that as viable.
    I like the JKS skids. They are expensive, but are pretty cool if you have a way to drill and tap the big hole required for the lower shock stud.

    Perfomance Accessories makes spring skids... I don't know if they have anything designed for an ECJ5 with shocks in front of the axle... I'm running their spring skids on the rear.
    HTH, let me know if more questions
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