A few questions from a newbie

Wanted to say howdy - just got a 1970 CJ5 with Dauntless V6 this weekend. I have owned 2 Late model CJ5s, one CJ7 & one TJ - this is my first Kaiser. My main question is original wheels - where to buy? The CJ5 has a shackle lift with 8 in mags and 33in meat - I'd like to return it more to stock including the spare mount if that is possible. It also has a BesTop Super Top rails on the tub. The top windows are rough = hard to see thru so I may be replacing them or entire top. Also, the tub is a flat black primer looking color. Original color seems to be gold but I'd like to go to an olive green - was there a green available that year? I also have some stock wheels from an old YJ - traded my stock TJ wheels when I went to mags and use them for trailer rims - will fit based on backspacing? My VIN is 8305017 359111 - can anybody tell me if it was a Renegade or just a V6 upgrade? Many thanks in advance.

td

 

Re: A few questions from a newbit

Is your original dash vin tag still there, if so it will tell you the month it was manufactured. Picturs will show us more than we can guess. The Renegades are rare in these years and were equipment packages not decals like the later models. This will answer the Renegade question:
http://www.earlycj5.com/tech/general/Renegade/index.shtml
Factory Renegade wheels were of 2 types, slotted aluminum mags and wider steel wheels I believe. Alot of your questions will be asnwered by reading the above page. TJ rims will not fit a cj at all, totally different bolt pattern and center hole. Like I said a picture and a better description will help drastically, especially in the how its equipped department.
Welcome aboard!!! The stock steel wheels can be found by searching here and ebay.

 

Re: A few questions from a newbit

Heres a thread with a link to 1970 paint chip chart:

http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24870&highlight=paint

And Welcome from Minnesota!

 

Welcome from middle TN. Used to live near Woodstock on the Cobb/Cherokee line.
The YJ rims wont fit.
And we need pics.

 

From your VIN, your Jeep was built in either August or September of 1969, for the 1970 model year. Also on the passenger side, engine side of the firewall (by the battery) there may be a paint and trim tag. If it's there, it will list the original paint code. There has been some debate as to if Renegade I's came in any other colors besides Lime Green or Plum (both paint code 999 for special).

 

Thanks for the replies & welcomes plus all the info. There is no dash tag - it has been modified = speedo plus AM/FM Cassette stereo cut in. I will get some pictures up next weekend for sure. I'll take a look for that paint & trim tag - hope it is still there. It has some Toyota seats mounted but I do have the original driver & p/s low back - they have BesTop seat covers = pretty rough underneath. The p/s frame has been mod'ed so the hinge doesn't work. At least now I don't have to take the wheels off the trailer & find new ones since the YJ ones won't work.
Thanks again.

td

 

I thought littlepurplecj's was a plum Renegade I. There was also someone out in Idaho or Utah I think that said they had a red Renegade I (maybe faded Orange?). I agree, the equipment package would tell more. It would be nice to know for sure what colors the Renegade I could be ordered in. I know for sure the Renegade I decal was available in both White and Black, and the Black was used on the lime green Renegades. I have a NOS white renegade I decal set. The pictures of the Plum Renegades show a white decal.

 

I know for a fact on mine, built oct 1969 it is a ren, and was President Red padded dash, heavy spring pack, boxed fram, tire carrier, oil pan skid plate, and the fact that the originals owner told me his father purchased it that way????? ( Zoomer you are talking about me I think)

 

Yea may not have Jived, I just know it was a renigade and Was president red, and was purchased in Colorado around the denver area that Ido know for sure, the p.o is actuall a close friend of the family. I remeber mine has thrown a few curve balls in here but this may help out others that have questioned if the jeep is a ren or not,??

 

Could be you 69utjeeper, I don't remember who it was for sure. Does yours have a rear mounted fuel tank (just curious)? Mine has all the Renegade equipment also, and I think mine was originally Yellow (I haven't stripped it down yet to know if there are other colors under the yellow that's under the black).

 

Littlepurplecj's VIN places his as either July or August 1970 build, right on the border of '70 vs '71. I think he refered to his on occasion as a '71, but I think he was basing that on an emmisions sticker he found saying it complied to 1971 emission standards.

 

yea mine has a rear, but it also has the underseat, the rear was done later

 

No padded dash on mine, so I'm assuming not a Ren pkg.
Thanks...td

 

There have been numerous threads of people trying to rule in or out (usually in) that their Jeep was a Renegade. The Jeep factory was quite lax about sticking to the official option sheet, so it's very hard to rule out that any Jeep with the proper options was not delivered as a Renegade. However, all the pieces needed to make a "Renegade" were available through factory parts outlets. Additionally, if all the original pieces are gone, there's not much value left in calling a particular Jeep by that marque. I doubt that it's worth the time and effort to confirm that a Jeep is really a Ren 1 or Ren 2 unless it has an easily verified history. So, I'd say if you're a collector, buy one with a well-documented history (photographs). If you own it because you like it, build it so that it pleases you.

 

Makes sense, Tim. Thanks.

The tailgate is held shut with 2 bolts - where do I get the original style chains or find the parts list to fab my own?
I looked at all the "where to buy" sites & couldn't find any.
TIA

td