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Master cylinder conversion help needed

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by speedbuggy, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. Mar 15, 2006
    speedbuggy

    speedbuggy Looking for a Jeep now

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    I took off the old m/c because it is leaking badly and am planning on adding the dual chamber m/c kit from Herm. I have everything I need, but here is the problem.

    I have to remove the steel plate inside the frame that supports the clutch tube shaft. I chiselled the rivets off on the bottom side. Beat the snot out of them to try and push them through. NO LUCK. Air chisel would not work either. What am I gonna do? Any ideas? I am about to order the replacement single chamber m/c and be done with it.

    Thank you for your help.
     
  2. Mar 15, 2006
    mb82

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    drillbits and time is the answer. I'm sorry to have to say that.
     
  3. Mar 15, 2006
    speedbuggy

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    Wrong forum too :rofl: I might as well go to bed...
     
  4. Mar 15, 2006
    73cj5

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    Try heating them up red hot and throw a glass of water on it, the thermal shock should beak it loose. It worked like a charm on my shackle mounts.
     
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    mb82

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    How about having a :beer: or many? sure does make my bad days better.
     
  6. Mar 16, 2006
    speedbuggy

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    Nope, I went to bed. Woke up with the same problem :rofl:

    I decided while under there to try to drill them out. All I was doing was turning what used to be a round hole into a lovely egg shaped hole. Should I keep going or order the original style?
     
  7. Mar 16, 2006
    grannyscj

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    Dennis,
    I don't know if this will help, but I had to remove the old bent up front bumper off mine. It was riveted on too. Chiseled the first one off and it deformed to the side away from the chisel. Couldn't get it out for nothing. Ended up grinding till I got a round rivet again, drilled the center and punched it right out. The rest I ground down first (no chisel), drilled, and punched. :v6:
     
  8. Mar 16, 2006
    panzer

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    Keep going Dennis. Your already there. Maybe an angle grinder???
     
  9. Mar 16, 2006
    speedbuggy

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    I did grind the rivets / plate before using a puch and hammer. When that didn't work, I went to the drill and that's where I am. I dunno...
     
  10. Mar 16, 2006
    panzer

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    Dennis, you got a picture of it?? I'm trying to picture it in my mind.
    How about cutting a section out of the middle of it. They would be
    like angles top and bottom. Then you can grap what's left of the
    top and bottom pieces. Or just grind them down. Just a thought.
     
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    speedbuggy

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    How about a sort of scale drawing?
     
  12. Mar 16, 2006
    panzer

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    I was thinking of something else. That's good enough. Now I can see it.
    So you can't use a lever to pry off the clutch tube bracket?? I would think
    you could at least grind off the bracket. I wonder if you could grind the
    whole thing till it's flush?? I wouldn't think they welded it also. I must be
    just rusted together.
     
  13. Mar 16, 2006
    grannyscj

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    Dennis,
    I drilled a hole all the way into the head on the other side and it was pretty big, <1/32" concentric away from the edge.:v6:
     
  14. Mar 16, 2006
    speedbuggy

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    I tried the air chisel on the bracket and it didn't budge. Led me to believe the bracket is welded. may not be though...

    I will keep drilling. Worst case is I say the hell with it, weld it back up and replce with an original :rofl:
     
  15. Mar 16, 2006
    Old Bill

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    I agree with Grannyscj. Those rivits are a mother! Grind the heads off smooth and flush, center drill them nearly as big as the hole they are in and they should come out. It was hard enough doing the ones on the front bumper that I could actually get to, I can imagine what it's like under the Jeep.....

    Good luck.
     
  16. Mar 16, 2006
    joesjeeps

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    When I took off my front bumper, I ground down the rivets and tried to use a punch. I think the flex in the frame took away some of the sting of the hammer blows. I ended up using a C-clamp and appropriate sized sockets top and bottom to press the rivet remains through. It was awkward, but it worked.
     
  17. Mar 16, 2006
    lynn

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    I've ground and drilled alot of rivets too. Not so bad on a bumper, tough under the rig. The bracket should pry off the bottom of the frame, then you can grind some more of the rivet. You'll eventually need to drill it because you just can't get a good enough swing underneath to drive out the rest of the rivet with a drift.:rofl:
    Just don't give up... you'll get it.
    The security of the dual chambered MC is worth it.

    EDIT: I'm going to move this back to the early forum...
     
  18. Mar 16, 2006
    linckeil

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    I removed the tube shaft support a few months ago to make room for a dual reservior setup. I ground the rivet heads flush from underneath, drilled a small hole in the center of each rivet, heated it up with a torch, and punched it right out with hammer and punch. left me with 2 perfectly round holes in the frame. maybe i just got lucky? also, on mine, the tube shaft support also had a weld holding it to the frame. make sure you grind that weld off before going at it with the chisel.

    by the way, nows the time to replace that crappy sheet metal tube shaft support with a nice, heavy, bronze bushed, bolt on, cast piece from an M38A1. Here's a pic....

    http://members.verizon.net/w3srl/Bracket.jpg
     
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    speedbuggy

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    linc-

    what did you heat up, the plate or the rivets? Also, where was the weld on the plate? I'm hoping it is on the exposed side :rofl:
     
  20. Mar 16, 2006
    linckeil

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    the welds were underneath, on the bottom side. they were crappy looking welds. i wouldn't doubt if some jeeps came through with more, and better welds, and some came through with no welds at all.

    i heated up the rivets one at a time. i did this with the frame off the body, so i had a much, much, much easier time then you will - i'm sure. but nonetheless, my approach would be the same - body on or off.
     
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