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Block heaters: which one.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by manden68, Nov 29, 2005.

  1. Nov 29, 2005
    manden68

    manden68 Member

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    Can someone explain the differences between these block heaters:
    1. Oil heater
    2. Coolant line heater and
    3. Freeze plug heater
    Which, if any, should I go with. I realize none of these does anything for my comfort but anything that would make a 36 year old jeep wake up easier on those freezing Pitt mornings...

    Any forwarding links and all information will be much appreciated.
    Thanks, Marc
     
  2. Nov 29, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Coolant line or freeze plug would do something for your comfort. That'd make the coolant warmer for you in the morning when you go get in the Jeep to start it.

    The oil heater will make the oil run faster in the morning. Theoretically the coolant heaters should help but the oil in the pan will still be cold.
     
  3. Nov 29, 2005
    manden68

    manden68 Member

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    SIDSCJ

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    Up here in the Northeast you almost never see an "oil heater". When it's 10-20 below zero and the winds blowing, you want heat and you want it right now!. An oil pan warmer is only going to warm the oil in the pan, you'll still have to pump it up through that feezing cold cast iron block.A coolant line heater will warm the coolant in the head and block as it warms up, allowing almost immediate heat and defrost upon startup. An added benefit is the oil in the block is warmed up too through convection from the cast iron. Freeze plug heaters came out when late model engines became too complex to install your basic block heater. There basically isn't a viable location in the heater hose plumbing to install one, much less find room in the engine compartment. Basically you have to find the recommended freeze plug, knock it out and replace it with the heating element. Looks like a mini home hot water heater element. Access, leaks and lifespan are the major pitfalls to them. That said, I've used coolant line heaters for years on tractors, Jeeps etc. and would never look back. Put one on a timer for an hour before you have to leave and fire that puppy right up. HTH.
     
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    dohc281

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    What about a garage?
     
  6. Nov 29, 2005
    manden68

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    Car port but no garage. When I get another truck the jeep will go in the garage but for now 4 months of winter for the jeep. Next question is where to purchase a good coolant line heater. Thanks for the info
     
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    MOP

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    AKCJ

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    For your use just get the freeze plug heater. The coolant line heater is more trouble than it's worth. When I put the freeze plug heater on my 225 I was surprised at how easy it was.
    I have the freeze plug heater and oil pan heater on all my rigs that I use in the winter. But then it was 27 below zero here yesterday.
     
  9. Nov 29, 2005
    manden68

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    Where did you get the freeze plug heater?
     
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    AKCJ

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    I think I got it at NAPA. Every auto parts store here has them. Heck, you can almost get them at Safeway, Fred Meyer, etc..

    Sorry, that doesn't do you any good.

    I think there are only a few brands. Order it from NAPA or JC Whitney. If you need it I can call a local NAPA to get a part number. Let me know.

    Jerry
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Marc, I wouldn't worry about it, it gets a heck of a lot colder around here than it does in Pensylvania & I havn't plugged in a vehicle in years. Unless the airtemp is going to consistantly be below 0 F. there really ain't much need.

    As far as block heaters go I don't put much faith in them. The real reason cold vehicles are so hard to start when really cold is the battery. I spent six years living in a place where it did get cold e'nuff to cause problems & I got way better results with an electric battery blanket than the heater.

    H.
     
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    w3srl

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    Marc-

    I agree with Howard. It gets cold here in Pittsburgh, but not to the extreme of needing a block heater to get the Jeep to crank over. As long as the engine is in tune and it fires over easily on a nice day, you will be OK here. You DO have a thermostat in the Jeep, riiiight? That and a 50/50 mix of antifreeze to water will do just fine!

    Steve

    P.S. Sorry if I scared you about the subzero temps. We get there on occasion, but only on occasion. On those days, most of the city calls in sick anyway! ;)
     
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    Desert Runner

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    When ever the temp goes into the teens I use a dip stick oil heater $16 at Advance auto. I've always wanted to put in a block heater but it just hasn't happened.

    Temps that low usually only last a couple of weeks.

    Jay
     
  14. Nov 30, 2005
    solitudetree

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    Oil heater comes in several different types. The most typical is a pad that you attach to the bottom of your pan and the cord runs to the front. It keeps the oil warm overnight.

    A coolant line heater circulates the antifreeze keeping it warm as it runs through your block.

    A freeze plug aka block plug heater fits into the bottom of the engine.

    While stationed in Alaska, my Wagoneer had a battery blanket, oil pan heater and a circulating heater for those wonderfully below zero Alaskan winter nights. There would always be a big bare spot on my hood surrounded by snow on the edges if it ever snowed and I was plugged in.

    My Cherokee had a block plug heater, oil pan heater and a battery blanket.
     
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    SIDSCJ

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    That's true, a block heater isn't a substitute for a weak battery or need of a tune up....................... but it's nice to have heat and defrost right off rather than wait for it. Without one you have time for another:coffee: while your Jeep "warms up.
     
  16. Nov 30, 2005
    manden68

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    Okay you guys convinced me. Since I have to go with the Mojave heater I may as well get an inline tank heater so when I do jump in that heater should work pretty quickly. I am going to forego the freeze plug heater and may consider running a oil pan heater in conjunction with a battery blanket if I'm having a hard time starting (if I'm plugging in one why not the other two?)
    Now are there any detrimental effects to these things? The inline-tank type heater or the oil pan heater or the battery warmer?
     
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    timgr

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    I think you're worrying too much about cold weather starting. The average temps here and in Pburgh are about the same, and no one I know of uses a block heater. Just be sure to use a lighter oil; 10W40 or better 5W30.
     
  18. Nov 30, 2005
    manden68

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    Okay how about seat warmers? Ha
     
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    sparky

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    Heated seats are nice.

    Not sure what I'd do without 'em in my DD now. ;)
     
  20. Nov 30, 2005
    lynn

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