PTO dreaming

Perhaps it's a less than intelligent question but "need to know" regardless. Where can I get a new or used PTO winch for my '68 CJ-5? If it matters, it will be a rear mounted. I haven't been able to find one but I may just be looking in the wrong places. O.K. , question number two: I was looking at a pic of a Spicer transfer case and the driveshaft was connected to the yoke coming out of the center while on mine, it's connected to the one towards the passenger side. Is that correct? It is centered with the rear chunk but I'm the 8th owner so nothing will suprise me. :?

 

maybe i am reading this wrong, but if the drive shaft in the rear is centered, then its a dana 20 (same case only a tad bigger and tougher). if they both are on the pass side, then its a dana 18. the 20 was used with a center drop pumpkin. i have a 68 and it came stock with the d18.

suggestion, mount a reese tow hitch front and back and mount a winch on the male end, that way you can use an electric wench on either end. just plug it into the receiver and hit it. of course, you will have to run power, but for versitility, you cant beat it.

 

On a 68 model you should have a Spicer 18 transfercase (71 and earlier) and the rear output should come out in line with the front ouput, in otherwords down the passenger side frame rail. The rear chunk should be offset on the same side, just like the front chunk. The dana spicer 20 (1972 and later) transfercase has the rear output (yoke) roughly centered in the frame and the rear axle should also correspond the same way.

 

Herm, (www.hermtheoverdriveguy.com) can hook you up with the pto winch or you can keep watching ebay.

 

Thanks guys, for the insight. Does anybody know of any new PTO winches out there, say for a tractor or other equipment of the sort. It's odd that their so hard to find. Any downsides for the PTO I should consider?

 

Ebay had this one. If your interested, you can contact the seller He had it as a "buy it now" option
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rams...iewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQitemZ8015597159QQrdZ1

and this one is on now
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PTO-...ewItemQQcategoryZ10076QQitemZ4592714317QQrdZ1

Jay

 

I ran a Koenig PTO winch on my CJ for quite a while. The downside to PTO is, in my opinion, they are frickin' dangerous. If you are alone and have to use it, beware. When you rewind it you have to be very cautious around the cable as it spools in. If it gets snagged in your clothes or worse and gets even moderate tension on the cable you won't be able to disengage it without using the clutch. Pretty hard to reach from the front of the Jeep. Just a thought. Electric is much safer IMHO.

 

The one big thing I don't like about PTO winches ( hydrolic for that matter also) is if your motor dies for some reason( Ie water crossing mishap) then all you have is a ____(insert winch weight here) paper weight.

I think I am going to when I get a winch go the front+rear reciever hitch. Also will run a power supply on the ZJ for the rear hitch so 1 winch can be used in 3 places.

 

don't know if he's still on campus or not, but there's a flatty roaming around the tech campus that would answer all of your questions... the pto will be coming out of the centered hole, or perhaps unerneith it depending on the model and then going out to thr rear. the guy on campus had a shaft coming out the rear bumper on the drivers side. that's the only one i've seen up close and personal, so there might be different ways to do it. might want to check on willystech to see if there's anything around (www.willystech.com/parts/board.shtml) or the southernjeeps website (www.southernjeeps.org/phpbb).

other than that i have nothing else to say... i'd offer to meet ya on campus one day, but i just got out over the summer. if'n ya seen a green ECJ down there floating around it meant i was wasting time in some leacture somewhere...

 

Ramsey & Tulsa still make PTO winches. They are very expensive and it can be hard to find a dealer that sells them.
Surplus Center has what looks like a tulsa in its catalog but i dont think it would work on a CJ.
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112605393459&item=315-B&catname=winches
Thats the only New pto winch i have seen on the net.

RSN

 

I actually have one of these on the rear of my 65 CJ-5. I pulled it home, put it in the barn and thats were it sits. I'm not sure what all the specifics are on it, but thouht it was cool, so I bought it.

I plan to mount a electric one to the front bumper for those days the engine dies.....

 

PTO
up side:
1. they dont over heat like electric
2. have TONS more power
3. wont kill your battery

down side:
1. dangerous to operate
2. heavy
3. use a slot in the xfer case designed for a warn OD unit =)
4. motor dies, you have no power
5. if you have to go up a steep hill, and need to winch up, the oil pump is in the front of your engine and might not get oil to the rest of your engine and could potentially burn it up

Electric
upside:
1. portable
2. independant from motor, can run off of any battery
operated from at winch motor, wire remote, or full remote operation (for safety)
3. cheaper and FAR more available
4. tow strap versions available

down side
1. over heat with continuous use
2. drains battery (might have a dual battery setup with a diode to isolate the winch battery from the motor battery which will allow charging, but not reverse flow)
3. have to get out and mount/unmount (if portable setup is used)
just my thoughts

 

One note on the PTO winch, even if the engine dies, as long as you have battery to turn over the motor, the winch continues to turn.

I could not get my M38A1 started, but using my remote starter switch I walked the jeep across my yard to my other garage for winter storage by putting the transmission in first and bumping the switch.

Just like walking the dog!

 

Lol

 

Just my $.02 but, my Koenig has a drive disconnect built into the winch (freespool) to disconnect quickly while respooling cable. All winches are dangerous when used improperly or abused. Proper safety guidelines must be followed, do your self a favor and learn them regardless of which type of winch you buy.

I have saved the day several times when others that I've been wheelin with didn't have the battery power(not big enough alt to recharge as he winched) to pull several others up the trail we were on. :hurrican:

 

i was actually thinking of sticking a PTO off of my 420. i might have to do some research on them. might stick one out of the back of the d18 now that i know they make adapters for the OD.
can we engage/disengage the OD for faster/slower winching speeds?

 

Now that's a good question- anybody have an answer?

 

Have you ever tried to use the disconnect with even a slight load on the cable? It ain't happening. As was mentioned, you need to be extremely aware of everything thats going on while using any winch, electric or PTO.

 

Serious safety rules when winching, electric or PTO. You must understand pinch points and rigging hazards, as well as strains on your rig.

As mentioned, if you have or buy an electric, you'll want to be sure the charging system can handle it.

PTO will outlive most of us.

 

phalanxx,

direct on the OD but you can use all different gears of the tranny for different cable speeds.

JB