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Starting problems with 66 CJ5 w/YF carb

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by etu, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Sep 12, 2005
    etu

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    My 66 CJ5 f134 with yf carb is starting to give me a currious starting problem. Twice in the last 2 weeks after otherwise running fine, I shut it off for 10 minutes and it won't start. Smells like gas when you first start cranking but no visible signs of flooding around the carb. Spark is good at the plugs and battery is strong and new. But you can crank it forever without firing or even sputtering. Wait 20 minutes and it starts up and idles fine.

    Anybody experienced this? Is it possible the carb is flooding internally and the 20 minutes gives it time to evaporate?
    Eddy
     
  2. Sep 15, 2005
    etu

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    Still looking for any ideas on this problem.
     
  3. Sep 15, 2005
    panzer

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    Vapor lock???
     
  4. Sep 15, 2005
    Mark Mann

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    I would guess vapor lock. 20 minutes would be enough time for fuel to re-condense. All fuel lines are away from hot-spots?

    Mark
     
  5. Sep 15, 2005
    jpflat2a

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    I'm gonna say "hot soak" condition.
    cause is engine heat.
    after the engine is shut down, afterboil or engine heat increases, no coolant flow.
    The cyl head absorbs this heat (along with the rest of the engine)
    this heat is also absorbed by the carb
    as temp increases, the fuel expands
    fuel trapped in the fuel line (or fuel bowl) expands and builds pressure
    it then can blow through the needle/seat inside the carb and/or overflow causing flooding or
    "hot soak" condition.
    check needle and seat for foreign matter, make sure it shuts off properly
    check float level, or lower slightly for insurance
    make sure carb has thick fiber insulator ( minimum 1/2") between carb base and head.
    make sure fuel line from pump to carb is metal and away from heat sources; not pushed up/rubbing against the head or block
    if all this fuel is indeed "boiled" away, it could well indeed be vapor lock
     
  6. Sep 15, 2005
    etu

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    Thanks for all these leads. I'll check on this.
    Eddy
     
  7. Sep 17, 2005
    Mark Mann

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    Good point JP- I was not really familiar with this "condition" but it makes perfect sense. :coffee:
     
  8. Sep 21, 2005
    etu

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    Jim,
    I think you're right about needing that 1/2" gasket as a heat insulator, mine only has a paper thin one and eveything else checks out ok. Where would you go to find one that thick?

    Eddy
     
  9. Sep 21, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    try Napa or local parts house
    probably won't find it under vehicle application though
    need to browse thru their carb base insualtors and gaskets
    and match it to yours, bolt pattern wise
     
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