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F134 head gasket

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Sloth, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. Aug 25, 2005
    Sloth

    Sloth New Member

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    I am having a rather difficult time with my head gasket. I put two on last year (or the year before it is all starting to run together) but anyhow I finally took my head in to the maching shop and had them go over it. Well I drove my Jeep to work today and I seem to have blown the head gasket again. I did notice the last time I put the head on some of the bolt holes in the block had a bit of a lip on them, and I am guessing that may be causing my problem. Does that sound logical, or am I missing something here? 'Any feedback is appreciated.
     
  2. Aug 25, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    was head re-surfaced or just checked for flatness (is that a word?)
    you could take a machinists straight edge to the block as well.
    Comp type F4 gaskets are pretty thick; torqued properly and proper sequence ?
    if gasket blown, same place as before ? in other words,example, between cyls 1-2, 2-3 etc ?
     
  3. Aug 25, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I also recall maybe the 2 front head bolts go thru to water jackets; may have to use Permatex hightac or other sealant on those threads.
    also, don't forget the bolt under the carb
     
  4. Aug 25, 2005
    Sloth

    Sloth New Member

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    The head was just checked for flatness (its a word now if it was not before) but it was OK so not re-surfaced. I used a generic head gasket the first time, but put a fel-pro on the second time and it seemed ok until today. It seems to be leaking around cylinder 1 (that one will not fire at idle anymore) and I 'think' it was in that same area the first time. I think I have a problem with the block but that does not seem to be a common problem so I just want a little feedback before I take it back into the machine shop.
     
  5. Aug 25, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    are you sure it's the head gasket leaking?
    just because #1 is not firing is not proof; lots of "other" possibilities here
    do you have water in the oil/oil in the water?
    does it overheat ?
    maybe a compression/leakage test is in order
     
  6. Aug 25, 2005
    Sloth

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    I cleaned all the bolts and bolt holes with a tap and die and used permatex no. 2 on the threads. Everything was torked in order and to spec, heck I think I have the torq sequence memorized.
     
  7. Aug 25, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I think I would recheck the head just to narrow down the possibilities
    maybe resurface and check for cracks (magnaflux)
    you could take a 4" grinder with sanding disc and touch up the high spots at bolt holes
     
  8. Aug 25, 2005
    Sloth

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    I should have mentioned that I am getting a bit of that typical white frothy stuff stuck to the top of the oil cap. I will admit it could be from condensation as it has been really humid here and cooled down recently.
     
  9. Aug 25, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    how far a drive to your work?
    did it overheat in that distance?
    if your not driving far, that could be a reason for the condensation
     
  10. Aug 26, 2005
    Sloth

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    It is only about a two mile drive to work. The coolent gets to normal temp (it did not overheat) but I am not sure the oil has enough time to get to the proper temperature.
     
  11. Aug 26, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    when removed, what does #1 spark plug look like ?
    oil soaked or ?
     
  12. Aug 26, 2005
    Sloth

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    Not really oil soaked but black and sooty (sp?)
     
  13. Aug 26, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    here's a simple test that might work, if you have compressed air available
    bring the F4 up to operating temp
    shut it off, bring #1 up to TDC
    remove plug
    thread in compression tester hose; they make them with air fitting couplers on the gauge end; introduce compressed air into the cylinder with rad cap removed; check for bubbles or rise in coolant; CAREFUL, coolant will be hot !
    not a surefire way to tell, but one of many checks you might be able to perform
     
  14. Aug 26, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    or drive the wheels off it and recheck the plug!
    warm that F4 really good
     
  15. Aug 26, 2005
    Sloth

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    Thanks Jim, I will run the heck out of it tormorrow and see if it improves. If it does not I belive we do have a compression tester at work.
     
  16. Aug 26, 2005
    Glenn

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    I'm a bit late here (as usual), but I guess you're saying your thoughts were the froth was from a blown gasket? What's the radiator level doing? Going down or staying ok? As mentioned condensation will cause the froth, I've been through that quite often.
     
  17. Aug 26, 2005
    Sloth

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    The radiator level seemed to stay ok but I am not sure I drove it long enough to notice a difference. The froth could very well have been from condensation, it did cool off here for about a week and conditions were probably prime for condensation to form.
     
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