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Renegade I Trim Options

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by 44bz, Jan 28, 2025.

  1. Jan 28, 2025
    44bz

    44bz Member

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    I have a 1971 RenI - build date is September 1970, but titled 1971. Long story short, the paint/trim code sticker was still on the firewall but got severely damaged. The paint code is easily legible "999", but the trim code is another story. I think it is 338, which appears to be Buckskin Vinyl from what I've found. My seats are solid black, but old so I'm thinking they were recovered sometime ago since what I've read suggests the seats should have a two tone appearance and these are not.

    I'm wondering what trim codes were available for Renegade Is - were they the same options as standard CJ5s? My RenI has a black vinyl dash pad - Were the dash pads all black regardless of the trim code?
    All the photos of RenIs I've seen have black seats. Was black standard for RenIs with the other CJ5 trim codes available as options?

    I'm also wondering how to tell what color of Orange mine should be. I've seen Big Bad Orange, Omaha Orange, and Riverside Orange for the Ren Is.
     
  2. Jan 28, 2025
    Zoomer

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    The only seat colors I've seen are black with white pinstripes (2 versions) and the white ones on the purple Renegade I/II.

    Pretty sure the orange ones had the black with white pinstripes

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  3. Jan 29, 2025
    44bz

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    Those are awesome! My seats are the same design just without the pin striping.
     
  4. Jan 29, 2025
    WYOMIKE

    WYOMIKE Oct 1971 pic

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    Not sure about the RI, but the orange RIIs had the black with white pin strips seats. Must admit that I did not know that they ever made orange RI,s. Are you sure yours is not a RII? Would you mind telling us what your ser. number is?

    Here are a couple of zoomed in pics that show mine that were taken not too long after I bought it in 71.


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    My paint tag is 999/340 and my color is Riverside Orange.

    That is my thoughts too.

    Mike
     
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  5. Jan 30, 2025
    oldtime

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    I have definitely seen an orange renegade I.
    In fact it was the earliest renegade that I had ever seen.
    It was built in September of 1969.
    So I’m thinking September of 1970 should be titled as a 1971 Renegade II.
    And not have hood reflectors !
    We need are pics of what you got to determine what it actually is such as the marking lamps, seat covers etc.
     
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  6. Jan 30, 2025
    44bz

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    The VIN sticker on the dash says September 1970 and the title with matching VIN says 1971. It Does not have the hood reflectors. Renegade I decals on the hood and cowl. Has a tailgate.

    Serial number is 8305037 367398
     
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  7. Jan 30, 2025
    44bz

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    Here are a few more.
     
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  8. Jan 30, 2025
    oldtime

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    I see marker lights on all 4 corners which further suggests this to be a 1971 Renegade II.
    Also it does not appear to have the under-seat gas tank and that would be abnormal for the Renegade I.
    Was this repainted ?
    If so the Renegade I decal is not the original decal.

    From what I understand the new model year always began in September.
    So I fully believe this was one of the earliest 1971 Renegade II’s built.
     
  9. Jan 30, 2025
    Zoomer

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    They were a little late making the decal change at the model year change. We have seen other examples of 1971 Renegade I's built in the very early production for model year 1971. I believe this is correct from the others we've seen.
     
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  10. Jan 30, 2025
    44bz

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    It does have the marker lights at all four corners. The under seat tank was removed when I got it, but I believe the side fill bezel was added as it was held in place with about two dozen screws. It has a factory rear tank with all the correct bracketry for the drawbar.

    It was repainted and a lot of bondo was added to the tub. You can tell that the Renegade decals were masked off before it was sprayed because the paint edge is higher than the decal. The original color was Orange, which is evident under the cowl, on the firewall, and under-seat toolbox lid.

    Were there ever any early production Renegade IIs that had tailgates? I feel like this is just a very late production RenI, but I don't know.
     
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  11. Jan 30, 2025
    SoCalNickG

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    IMG_2409.jpeg I have a Renegade 1 with a build date of 9/1970. It has the original paint (except drivers fender which has an old repaint). It has a tailgate and has an under seat tank that was added by P.O. The vin is 367694 and has the trim tag that has 999 and 340. The driver’s seat has been recovered with solid black but the pass. And rear seats have the center panel with pinstripes.
     
  12. Jan 30, 2025
    SoCalNickG

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    It took a bit to relearn how to resize before posting the pics. IMG_0266.jpeg IMG_0164.jpeg IMG_2388.jpeg IMG_2144.jpeg
     
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  13. Jan 31, 2025
    jpflat2a

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    What was the old BAR engine sticker for?
     
  14. Jan 31, 2025
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    I don't know for sure but it appears that the P.O. replaced the engine before the Jeep became smog exempt. The sticker has 64 in the space for the engine’s year and Jeep in the space for manufacturer. Would there be an advantage to use a 64 225 over the 71 225 that would have been in the Jeep? I don’t know.
    As I recall from my high school days (class of ‘73), there was a loop hole in the CA. smog laws for a very short window. For a short while the emissions testing was based on the year of engine manufacture not the vehicle. People would swap an older pre smog engine into a newer car. That was corrected pretty quickly as I recall.
    This Jeep was a one owner Jeep I bought basically in ready to use condition. I haven’t felt the need to even check the number of the block to figure out what I have. At one point in its life there was a four barrel Holley on the engine, the manifold, carb and air cleaner came with the Jeep. The P.O. had the cowl painted with “LIMITED EDITION FOUR BARREL”. You can see the shadow of it in the faded paint.
    IMG_2406.jpeg
     
  15. Jan 31, 2025
    jpflat2a

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    Well CA 70 and 71 v6 would have had air pump and all the smog crap that goes with that.
    If it was missing, they would have made you/previous owner re-install it.
    So the engine swap to an earlier engine or even a V8 back then would probably make it go to
    inspection station for verification.
    All I can think of.
    Just haven't seen on of those before.
     
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    SoCalNickG

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    I believe this would have had the smog pump and associated crap when new but it has been smog exempt since before I bought it. No smog equipment now and I’m running headers. Not sure what the original exhaust manifolds were like.
     
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    jpflat2a

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    Should be plugs in the cylinder heads if it had air injection and smog stuff.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2025
    44bz

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    I talked to my dad - he bought a 71 Renegade II brand new off the lot. I wish he had kept more documents about it, but the conversations are fun. He bought the jeep from a long gone dealership in Oregon City, Orange with black seats. He sold the jeep before I was born - looking to be a family man, couldn't justify a cj5. He said the Renegade II was a showroom floor unit so he bought it as is. He traded in his Renault and paid $5k :)
     
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    A 1964 225 would not have been sourced from any Jeep vehicle. Such a critter would have had to come from a Buick car. Jeep didn't start sourcing and using the engine from Buick until '65 as I recall. Late '65 or early '66 was the introduction of the 225 into the Jeep lineup. Prior to that, in '61, Buick introduced the 198 V6 and punched out to 225 in like '64. I think Buick continued using the engine through '66 or maybe '67 before selling off the tooling to Jeep. I'm curious to learn more about your engine and that BAR sticker. It's possible that you have a 198 under the hood or a very early 225 sourced from Buick.
     
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    Most likely a Buick 225. Some of the early Buick 225’s had a 1bbl intake (‘64 ?). The ‘62/‘63 198 had a totally different bellhousing pattern, matching only the 215 V8. I doubt that BAR sticker was based on casting dates. I don’y know how to determine year of manufacture, other than interpreting casting dates.
    -Donny
     
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