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Help on brakes

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by T Todd, Jun 8, 2005.

  1. Jun 8, 2005
    T Todd

    T Todd Mostly Confused

    Frazeysburg Ohio
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    I just replaced the 9" brakes on the front with the 11" brakes from my 77. New shoes and new 1 and 1/8" wheel cylinders. Bled the air out and have no front brakes. Seems like very little pressure while bleeding them. I have a dual resevoir master cylinder and still have rear brakes but the front brake won't move even with the drums off. Did my MC just go bad or is there something else?
     
  2. Jun 9, 2005
    61CJ5

    61CJ5 Member

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    If you were able to bleed the brakes, then the MC probably still pushes fluid through the lines like it should? I'm taking a guess at this here, but could the wheel cylinders be designed to work with a MC that has a larger bore size? The MC might just not be designed to push out enough fluid to move the larger wheel cylinders. I know with a hydraulic clutch set up, you have to match the slave cylinder and MC bore sizes, such as both 3/4" or whatever.

    Another thing that's probably not an issue, but make sure you've adjusted the brake shoes out far enough to hit the drums.

    Just some ideas, HTH.
     
  3. Jun 9, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    I'm only gonna suggest this because of my disk setup problems last month. I have the factory dual M/C, from the factory the rear chamber was plumbed to the rear brakes and the front to the front when the disk were installed the rears worked and the disk did nothing, I swapped the lines and everything works fine now, the rear pushes a higher volume of fluid and the rear brake cylinders being smaller now need less. If yours are set up this way try using the rear reservoir of the cylinder to run the front brakes and vice versa, this is actually the way they are suppose to be.
     
  4. Jun 9, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    What Mike said above. I had it backwards the first time, with the same crummy results. :oops:

    Also, did you bench-bleed the MC before installing it? This is sort of like priming a pump. Every once in a while you *may* get away with installing a new MC without bench-bleeding, but the majority of the time it will be necessary.

    Once you verify that the lines are correct and have good fluid production at both ports, try bleeding the whole thing again. Go in this order: LF, RF, LR, RR.

    Oh, and if you haven't already, get a set of speed bleeders. They're worth their weight in gold!
     
  5. Jun 9, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Steve after you recommended this about a 1 1/2 months ago, I must say those things are worth there weight in gold.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2005
    T Todd

    T Todd Mostly Confused

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    I think I read those posts about which tank to plumb the lines to. My fronts are connected to the front chamber. I'll swap them tonite. Should I flush the MC while I have the lines off?
     
  7. Jun 9, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Get a piece of prefab brake line that fits the MC ports and cut it in half. Install the tubes so they bend up around the MC and the cut ends are submerged in the reservoir and gently pump the pedal until all the air is gone. Remove the tubes and reinstall the plumbing, then bleed the system.
     
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