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Improvement = Lower Value?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Jon B., Nov 5, 2023.

  1. Jon B.

    Jon B. Retired three times; still working.

    I have a ‘68 CJ5 that’s pretty much as it came from the factory except that the radio has a couple of extra speakers, and a tach and vacuum gauge have been added.

    It has the Dauntless engine, three-speed , D18 and 4.88 axles.

    This is from the day I brought it home:

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    I’m considering switching out the front & rear axles to a flanged D44 rear and D30 open u-joint front. I have three sets of them; two in 3.73 and one in 4.27 ratio. It would get stronger housings and big brakes all around. (The originals are 9”, I think, and pretty weak.) It could also use a Saginaw steering upgrade - of which I have 2.

    This Jeep will probably be sold in a year or three, when I finish the intermediate (72 or 74) project, with a 5.3, SM465, D20 and probably the 4.27 axles. (I have a titled ‘72 and a better, untitled ‘74)

    Would those upgrades impact the value of an otherwise stock Jeep? If it’s an upward change, great; if negative, perhaps I’ll leave it as it is and just drive it…

    Jon B.
     
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  2. jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

    I would only do the upgrades if you were going to keep the Jeep.
    Otherwise, let somebody else spend the time, effort and $$.
     
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  3. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Are you really likely to be breaking axles, and to need stronger ones?
     
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  4. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    If I was looking, stock would be what I was looking for.
     
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  5. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    This is a pretty capable combo as is.
     
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  6. jeepdaddy2000

    jeepdaddy2000 Active Member

    Given what you have and what you want to do with it, I would opt for an OD and leave the drivetrain alone. This will increase drivability and should increase it's resale value.
     
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  7. Ol Fogie

    Ol Fogie 74 cj5 304, 1943 mb

    In my opinion I would leave it like it is and add an OD. The T-14 is the weaker trans but I think they are usually good enough if driven correctly and not abused. Especially with the 4.88 gearing. If I were looking for a used jeep I would also be looking more for stock than modified. Just my 2 cents worth.
     
  8. Beach66Bum

    Beach66Bum 1966 Tuxedo Park Mark IV 2024 Sponsor

    The 134 had the small 9” brakes
    The Dauntless 225 v6 has 10” brakes. With stock size wheels, these brakes are all you need.
     
  9. 52M38-73CJ5

    52M38-73CJ5 Member

    If you drop the 30 in the front your turning radius will be tighter. Swap the gears to match the rear.
    If you do the fanged 44 in the rear swap out transfer case so you don't have the odd angled rear drive-line. Unless you have a 71 D44.
    The downside would be the 2-1 low range with the D20
     
  10. Oldpappy

    Oldpappy A.C. Fults - Curmudgeon at large 2022 Sponsor

    If the stock drivetrain is in decent shape I would not go to the trouble of the axle upgrade if I planned to sell the Jeep later on.

    Were I building a trail Jeep for my own use I might consider it, but I doubt it would add much to the resale value, and might lower it if someone wants a stock setup.
     
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  11. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    If I was intent on actually wheeling the CJ in moderately difficult terrain, the axle swap would make sense. But for the limited time frame you are looking at, it isn't likely worth the effort. I suspect the resell value is not going to change much either way. You almost definitely will not recover the additional investment. As above, that should have the 10" brakes and those work well.
     
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  12. jeepstar

    jeepstar Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Assuming it's the stock t86? I'd put a t14 in and OD.
     
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  13. Tralehead

    Tralehead Member

    I agree with the majority leaving the axles, etc. stock, but correcting any rust issues and adding an overdrive. I'd be interested in buying a stocker over a modified... Looks like a sweet CJ though!
     
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  14. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    You won't recouver the costs of the upgrades when you sell it. Stock is getting rarer & that impacts the price, the rule of thumb has always been if you want to get maximum $$$ back when you sell don't do any mods that can't be undone.
     
  15. jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

    Can't see spending the $$ for the OD if he's going to sell it....let the buyer do that if he wants to.
     
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  16. Daryl

    Daryl Sponsor

    Dana 30 is such a huge upgrade. Well worth it especially if it has 11" or disc brakes. I have rarely seen "all original" ever be worth more money unless 100 percent perfectly restored. Your Jeep, build what YOU want to drive.
     
  17. SFaulken

    SFaulken Active Member

    I mean, if you're buying these things, expecting that they're an investment, they're no different than any other vehicle. Outside of some real rare exceptions that have caught the deep pocket fools fancy (Hemi-Cuda?) you're rarely, if ever, going to get a good return on investment. On stuff I buy to "flip" I buy it for very specific reasons, knowing I can fix it, and sell it for a profit. On stuff I buy for *me* I don't consider "resale" value, because I don't care, I drive what I like.
     
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  18. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Sell the d30 and flanged axles separately. They are worth a lot more without a jeep attached.
     
  19. Buildflycrash

    Buildflycrash More or Less in Line. 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Power steering, disk brakes, Yj Springs, additional fuel, lockers, bigger tires - It does add up to a more fun Jeep.
    Do all the Mods you can this winter and we'll see you on the Rubicon in July.
     
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  20. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I like my 66, 3:73 axels and 10" brakes, the 9" brakes were a little scary at times.
     
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