WTB 5 X 6.00-16 Original Steel Wheels

Looking for a set (5) of original steel wheels for a 1964 CJ5. If you already have NDT tires mounted, that's a bonus. Thanks.

 

FYI the stock CJ wheel is 4.5" or 5" wide.
16x6 were only on 60's Willys pickups and are tough to find.

 

I have four good stock 15" wheels, one rusty, all off a 67 CJ5, tires are rotten.

Problem is I am 334 miles from Cincinnati.

You could pick them up on your way to the Smokey Mountains

I could meet you half way for a little gas money.

If you attend Jeep functions the Willys Fall Reunion in Fulton MO is a fun event, I will be hauling parts to the swap meet.

$35 each for the four good wheels, the rusty spare for free.

 

had five on mine only got three now...

 

Everything I've seen indicates the 64 CJ came with 16" wheels. They switched to 15" wheels in 65+

 

Mark,

Not sure what you are looking at, but information I have found is 16" X 4.5 wheels were standard up through 1962. They switched to 15" during 1962 production when the 4.27 axle ratio became standard, not sure if other wheel options were available.

Also, as our friend from Colorado mentioned the 16" X 6" wheels were only used on the pick up trucks, never stock on a CJ. I have a set of those in the barn which I will be using on a CJ however.

Is your 64 a standard (four cylinder) with 4.27 axle ratio? If so, I doubt it came stock with 16" wheels.

With earlier CJ2A, which all had 5.38 axle ratio, the 16" X 4.5 was standard, and 15" wheels were an option. I had a 48 with the KH 15" wheels without hubcap bumps, which are sort of rare.

 

No, 15” was standard from at least ‘62/‘63-up. My ‘64 came from the factory with 5-1/5 x 15” wheels (bought new in Newport, KY) . You could special order 16” wheels from the dealer. Many CJ’s from the mid to late ‘50s came with 4-1/2” or 5” wide 15” wheels. The 5” x 16” are much easier to find than the rare 6” versions, if you must have 16” wheels.
-Donny

 

This brochure excerpt from 1970 implies that even in 1970 Dauntless Jeeps got 15" wheels standard while the 4wd four cylinder Jeeps still got 16" wheels standard:

 

Sometimes I feel like Alice in wonderland...things just get curiouser and curiouser.

 

So there are number of threads on OEM tire and rim sizes. This is the one I was referencing, although it does seem as if the subject is still debateable.
http://earlycj5.com/xf_cj5/index.php?threads/71678/

 

Yes, there are a number of threads on this topic, and most of them have conflicting information. The 1970 brochure Fireball posted is new information for me, but most of my manuals and parts lists don't go as far as 1970. Standards changed over the years, and what was standard in 1964 appears to differ from what was standard in 1970.

 

The service standards for all vintages were susceptible to changes at any time throughout the year.
4-1/2” x 16” was the only CJ standard from 1945 through all of 1962. This coincided with the standard 5.38 final drive ratio.
That said 2 other wheel options were available prior to 1963.
The 4-1/2”x 15” became the CJ standard in November of 1962 which technically was partway into the 1963 model year. Yes that change coincided with the change of the standard final drive ratio for all CJ’s.
Fireball, those specifications you show are not a Willys Motors nor a Kaiser publication.
FWIW my info is taken from various W/O, Willys Motors, Kaiser Jeep Corporation and AMC Jeep Corporation publications only.
I have a 2-1/2 foot tall stack of original publications.
Virtually every Parts List, later Part Catalogs, Universal Service Manual and later Technical Service Manuals plus other publications like the vintage Service Standards.

 

As noted above, those specs are en excerpt from the official 1970 Jeep Universal sales brochure. You can see the whole brochure here: https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/brochu...AMC&model=Jeep&smod=&type=model&page=1&scan=1

You can buy a physical copy of the brochure on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/351556821355

 

Also, the 1977 published 53-71 Jeep Universal Service Manual lists 15" wheels on V6 and 15" wheels on four cylinder:


From this manual:


The 1971 parts manual isn't helpful other than saying V6s never came with 16" wheels. I imagine if 16s were standard on 4 cylinders, 15s were optional:

 

Ok my bad. Apparently it’s a Jeep publication.
Not sure why they list two tire sizes for the 4 cylinder CJ’s ?
Although it was no longer standard the 6.00 x 16” tire size remained as an option through 1971 as was the 5.38 axle ratio.
Beyond that know that there are several blatant and contradictory mistakes listed in service and parts manual.
I have myself gone to the trouble of correcting at least 1 of those blatant mistakes concerning distributors.

Your copyright 1977 Universal Service Manual is a “reprinted reproduction” and not an original publication. It states to be a copy of the SM1046.

The reprinted reproductions contains information generally taken from previous original publications.
In practice information taken from earlier publications can and will contain obsolete information. The later manuals were intended to supercede all previous manuals up until 1974 when the AMC publications were redone each and every year. The parts catalogs began to only cover a specific year beginning in 1975.

 

The 1965 sales brochure states the same 15" wheels for V6, 16" wheels for F4:


Brochure cover:


But it also states "The Universal has up to three times the optional tire sizes of competitive vehicles, offering tire types and sizes for all terrains.":


My '71 owners manual lists all these possible sizes but doesn't link them back to a model:



These are the official documentation sources I've seen so I've always assumed 15" for V6 and 16" for F4, but it sounds like there is additional documentation that says otherwise. That doesn't surprise me at all. I never saw that generation of Jeeps new on the lot, so my real life experience has always been on used Jeeps that have often has the wheels changed.

 

So two additional bits of information. I just recently purchased an original Service Manual (dtd 1965) and Owners Manual (dtd 1963) and both make reference to 15" and 16" wheels without any reference to one being std. and/or opt. So with that said and all the input above I think I'm going to just stick with my existing 15" wheel and now open up the debate as to what are the best OEM-like tires to buy.

 

Well what we need to prove a wheel change amounts to locating an original 1963 Service Standards manual. I have original Service Standards for 1960 and 1961. The service standards publications are among the very hardest of Jeep publications to locate. I have 1963 Owners manuals but those are too vague concerning what was standard because they also list the options and they do not distinguish.

 

Best tire depends on how and where you plan to do most of your driving

 

If you want a vintage look, and don't plan on a lot of highway driving, take a look at Power King Super Traction 7.00-15 tires. That is what I have on my 67 CJ5 with stock 15" wheels.

I like the look of them, and they perform very well for the way I use a Jeep which is on the farm driving through pastures, on dirt, gravel, and tar and gravel back roads. They are fine for that, but I don't drive it much on the highway. If you plan on a lot of highway use a more modern radial tire is probably better for that.

The below link shows the tires I am running on my Jeep.

https://www.giga-tires.com/7.00-15/...N4oMTH5fnN-nosIEZVz2R-x3aybC3iM3zXZ4lwhXEczPQ

Here is a picture of them on my Jeep, though not a very good picture, it is the only one I could find.