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Fhead Ignition/starting Problem

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Don X, Jan 11, 2023.

  1. Jan 11, 2023
    Don X

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    I'm having an Fhead starting problem. I have full voltage to the distributor except when the points are installed.
    :confused:

    With the points out I have full voltage. The continuity of the points is good. I'm assuming when the points are in there shorting but I can't see anywhere they're making contact except where they are supposed to.

    Has anyone else had this problem? What am I missing?

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  2. Jan 11, 2023
    PeteL

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    Full voltage being 24volts, I assume.

    Hold-down screw is missing from the points adjustment assembly, in the pics.

    Where the points spring and condenser wires are attached together with the coil wire, is some part there touching to ground, say perhaps to one of the bracket rivets?
     
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  3. Jan 11, 2023
    Cj5dale

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    If this was touching, would that cause problems?

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    Oldpappy

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    It might, if I am seeing what I think I am seeing which is the screw that holds the terminal to the points. If that is grounding out, it won't run.

    We used to rig up kill switches on mini-bikes when we were kids which simply grounded out the points. Just a wire connected to the points running to a piece of hacksaw blade mounted to the handle bar on a piece of rubber hose. Push that against the handle bar and it killed the engine.

    That screw hitting the body of the distributer would do the same thing.

    Could try putting a washer under the screw to back it off and see if that helped. In one of the pictures it doesn't look like the contacts mate very well either and that can cause problems.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    First- missing hold down screw

    Second- the points are on the low part of the cam and are "closed" so the coil terminal where you made your voltage reading with the wire disconnected is now grounded\.

    Third- that screw you circled should be isolated from ground- there should be a\n insulator between it and the base plate. Electrically it's connected to the spring arm (which is also supposed to be isolated).


    Replace the missing screw, get the points on the high part of the cam & set the them to the correct gap.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    Invest in a set of "Blue Streak" points and condenser, and thank me later.
     
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    PeteL

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    I believe the pedestal has a formica insulator under it. But the rivet heads may be touching something?

    OR, in photo #2, is the point arm spring touching the mounting plate?
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Won't be able to tell until the points are opened up.
     
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    Dirt and grime can hide a lot of problems. Just a hint.
     
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  10. Jan 13, 2023
    Don X

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    Thanks, guys.

    Pete, you're correct. 24 volts.

    As for the set screw, I have it out because I've been removing and installing the points while testing.
    So it's possible to push the points too far on?

    I'll concentrate further on the terminal. I checked it before and didn't notice anything askew but I must not have looked close enough.
     
  11. Jan 13, 2023
    Don X

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    And anothere related but separate question. Am I correct in assuming points, rotor and condenser are the same regardless of 12 or 24 volts?

    Does anyone have the correct part numbers. The local NAPA store was less than helpful over the phone.
     
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    PeteL

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    Yes, mostly they are the same for all f-heads. There may more than one part number, depending on the distributor used, but I suspect even they are interchangeable.

    My old book shows Jeep #923146 points, #917128 condenser, #118879 rotor. Maybe you can cross-reference those.
     
  13. Jan 13, 2023
    Don X

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    Thanks. I found my M38A1 parts list. Carquest was able to cross reference the number. It'll be in tomorrow. Hopefully it won't be crap.
     
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