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F134 Differences

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jeepsrbetter, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Apr 24, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Military & civilian bellhousings for a F4 are completely interchangeable. Flywheels are the same barring the later versions drilled for the optional 9-whatever" clutch.

    It's actually a smaller nozzle, diameter was decreased to bring up oil pressure to the front main bearing which is in the path to feed the nozzle.
     
  2. Apr 25, 2021
    73 cj5

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    Here's a picture of the fans. The fan on the left seems to move more air but it could just be my imagination.

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  3. Apr 25, 2021
    PeteL

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    This. The factory reduced the diameter, as an upgrade.
     
  4. Apr 25, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    The fan is one of the things that is different on the military motors and there were at least a couple of civvy versions. I've got four of them all different, all completely interchangeable.
     
  5. Apr 25, 2021
    PeteL

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    That may be true, but in military applications the bellhouse is sealed and can be pressurized for deep water fording.
     
  6. Apr 25, 2021
    Glenn

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    I believe he meant gear....yours should have gears only.
     
  7. Apr 25, 2021
    Glenn

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    If I remember right my new '69 F-head had a quieter fan as compared to the '59 that was my first Jeep.
     
  8. Apr 25, 2021
    53A1

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    My mistake, timing gears.
     
  9. Apr 25, 2021
    53A1

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    Thanks for clearing this up Howard. As I recall there was a service bulletin floating around and it gives the upgraded diameter. It's been a long time and I also kinda recall I welded mine up and re-drilled it.
     
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  10. Apr 26, 2021
    PeteL

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    My manual for the F-head states it was originally .070", then was reduced to .040" after engine #250095 to improve oiling at the front bearings.
     
  11. Apr 26, 2021
    kenb

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    I have read that if you are using an oil filter the return line take care of oiling the timing gears. Thus you can just install a plug in place of the oil jet.
     
  12. May 18, 2021
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    I'll post up some pics of a standard F134 front engine plate next to a M38A1 engine plate for those that follow. I noticed a few minor differences. Pics will show them. Stand by until tomorrow. I will edit this post to add the pics.
     
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  13. May 23, 2021
    wheelie

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    Standard F134 engine plate on the top. M38A1 below. Notice the left side (in the picture) mounting tab is longer on the 38 plate. Notice the right side is slightly larger, in general,on the 38 plate. I didn't notice any other differences.



     
  14. May 23, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    What year is the later plate? this may simply reflect a running design change somewhere along the line. Tonk's is the same as the A1 plate & I had a '59 that was also like the A1.
     
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    wheelie

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    Good point H. I do not know the vintage of A1 this came from. It was in the parts haul I made this past winter and either he did not know the year of the A1s or I have simply forgotten what he said.

    What years was the A1 in production? I think they started in 52 but I am not sure on that. No idea when the ceased.
     
  16. May 23, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

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    52 to about the time of the introduction of the dauntless in cj's, i believe
     
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  17. May 23, 2021
    Keys5a

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    I've got bits and pieces of a late M38a-1 I'll be putting together. The dash data plate has date delivered/date inspected as Jan, 1968. This agrees with the title as a '68. This is the "newest" A1 I've ever seen. Its a Canadian military evidenced by the designation "M38A1CDN2" and has a NATO stock number, and was built in Windsor, Ontario
    -Donny
     
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