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'65 Rubicon Rig

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by timsresort, Dec 27, 2020.

  1. Jul 9, 2022
    givemethewillys

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    Great write-up, keep it coming!
     
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  2. Jul 10, 2022
    timsresort

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    More food- For breakfast, I did the biscuits in the dutch oven while Nick made the gravy. Sausage, milk, flour. It is a really good camp breakfast, with coffee and juice, of course.
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    As a Hi-Lo, Nick and Jay and I are guests of the owners, but that comes with responsibility. There is no shortage of work to be done, and Mark let me know how the trees in the landing zone of the rope swing are very dangerous. So a little winching.
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    The second one we hooked to was a little heavy, and eventually we had 2 jeeps strapped together and my PTO was still pulling the both of us into the river. That log moved out of the way, but it wasn't coming out. I did pull a smaller one up to get bucked.
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    Since Mark had the saw out, I asked if we could do a little clean up in our Jamboree camp, known as the Swamp. In a few weeks we will be back, with about 1000 friends, and I want it to look nice.
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    This is the Swamp Bar, the center of our Jamboree camp. It also anchors a parachute over camp for shade.
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  3. Jul 11, 2022
    timsresort

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    We first occupied the swamp in about '95, when we got bumped from another spot during the JJ. It's a nice camp.
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    The Mountain Man Feast, Saturday night of the Jamboree. For 70 years, a big steak-and -all-the-trimmings dinner for 1500 people.
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    Amos' Place for the thirsty.
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    Some kind of weird petroglyphs on the bar. Not sure the meaning.
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    Our last night, we are going to have a dutch oven apple crisp, well after dark. Getting it together so I am not scrambling later.
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  4. Jul 12, 2022
    timsresort

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    Well, this build, and this great proving trip, are simultaneously coming to an end. On our last night, we had a nice campfire, great stories, and drinks, and dessert. The guys camping near us, (2 in wheel chairs), came over and we planned a trip to their area- the southern Sierra, known as the the Dusy Run. The apple crisp came out fine, and I think we served 15 people with it. I got thumbs up all around, but it's an easy crowd-what else are they going to do?
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    In the morning we had a hearty breakfast of corned beef and eggs, then the dreaded striking of camp. The rest of our group will be staying another night, so Nick and I loaded the jeeps and said our goodbyes, although not for long, because most of us come back for the Jamboree in a few weeks. Nick has driven the Rubicon Trail about 6 times, but has never driven Cadillac hill, so I have a little hesitation. We turned the key and did not stop until the "corner" at the bottom of the hill when we saw 3 rigs coming at us. (Although uphill traffic has the right of way). After that, I totally botched the climb at the corner, and had Nick spotting the old man, off my badly high centered rear diff. I looked back after that and he was up and over with no problem. Then to the Wedge Rock with no issue, and on to Morris Rock. Named for a dear friend and Rubicon pioneer that manned the rock for decades on the Jamboree, and winched so many jeeps up it, his jeep eventually pulled in 2. It is tricky, but with the "game of inches", and the right line, we were up it. It was rough, and we made our first stop at the top of Morris to take stock and call the others on the ham to say we were successful. (So they could turn the radio off and go back to horseshoes).
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    Now a few more hours to pavement, and the reality that disappears for the duration of any Rubicon trip. Thanks for following, everyone, and I really hope to get with some of you on a future Rubicon with our Rubicon Rig.
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  5. Jul 12, 2022
    Ol Fogie

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    wow, whata trip. You all making me want to pack up my camping gear and head for Calif.
     
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  6. Jul 12, 2022
    Ol Fogie

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    Thanks for all the photos and work to keep us updates daily. Really enjoyed riding along Jim.
     
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  7. Jul 12, 2022
    timsresort

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    You won't regret it.
     
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  8. Jul 12, 2022
    Rich M.

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    Epic! Thanks for sharing, CA is a long haul from MD but your photos and write up stoked me some. Thanks!
     
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  9. Jul 13, 2022
    givemethewillys

    givemethewillys Been here since sparky ran it. 2022 Sponsor 2021 Sponsor 2020 Sponsor

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    Thanks for sharing your jeep build, and the rubicon adventure!

    Also, I'm going to have to try that scotch, although I'm partial to Laphroaig.
     
  10. Jul 14, 2022
    timsresort

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    That's a gift from @truckee4x4 for the axle shaft. I liked it.
     
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  11. Aug 4, 2022
    Stakebed

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    @timsresort, your thread was linked in the Old Willys Forum. I spent several days reading all of the thread and became interested enough in eCJ-5 that I joined.
    Also, thanks for mentioning Sam and his business. I've contacted him regarding parts for two CJ's.
    I hope to see you while putting around the Sierras.
     
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  12. Aug 10, 2022
    timsresort

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    Thanks for the kind words, we have been busy enjoying the fruits of our labor. I really hope I can get to meet some of the guys too, and am going to try hard to make the next ECJ5 Rubicon trip. After the Jamboree, where I had some breakage, I am scheming my next build, a refresh of my 3B. Oh, and thanks for buying from Sam, he is a great resource. (even though he is a PIA as a little brother).:beer:
     
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  13. Sep 5, 2022
    timsresort

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    Had an issue with the jeep not idling today. Ran it up to temperature, would only run at 1500 up. If I let off, it would cough and stumble and die. My first thought was water in the fuel, as we did borrow some gas of unknown origin from a buddy in the Rubicon. The fact that it sat for a few weeks, I was thinking the water sank and got sucked in. So I shut it off, decided to look in the bowl, and noticed that fuel was running out of the carb with it shut off. Now I'm thinking stuck float, so I pop the top.
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    I apply a little breath to the fuel input with the float up, and yes, it leaks. So I dig around and find a needle and seat to install, then I found this.
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    Stuck behind the carb seat. At first I thought RTV, but it's really paper, so maybe part of the filter? Anyway, definitely could be holding the needle open. Next, with some talk on here about jet sizes, I thought I would check to see what I have. I can't read any number on them, but a .050 feeler goes through. So 50 or 51 is my thought.
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    I'm thinking of going smaller in light of the plugs being black.
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    It wasn't running noticeably rich, but I think with my elevation of at least 6K, maybe go to a 49? What do the V6 experts think?
     
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  14. Sep 5, 2022
    Jw60

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    Personally i'ld freshen up the plugs and see how it is with the debris cleared.
     
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  15. Sep 5, 2022
    Ol Fogie

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    From what I understand the procedure for determining jet size is some what of a trial and error type of thing. First start the engine with a new set of spark plugs, drive the jeep on a long pull up hill for say 5 miles or so and chop the engine and pull the plugs and examine them for color. As you say "black" is likely too rich and "really white or blistered" is probably too lean. A lite tan should be about what your looking for. I would likely try one jet size per trial until desired conditions are achieved. Stop and go driving and mixed up and down hill testing will not give accurate results. Look at Mikes Carburetor he has some videos on this. Also I believe he Offred some kits with multiple sizes of jets for testing. Hopefully some of the experts here can add or correct on my comments.
    On Edit: If I remember correctly Mike's had a chart somewhere on carb, jet sizes

    recommendations per engine application.
     
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    Ol Fogie

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    Correct, the black soot on your plug is likely from the carb float problem. If you start to test your jet size I would start with the jets you have first, quite likely they are about right.
     
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  17. Sep 5, 2022
    timsresort

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    Right, it could have sooted up at the last minute. Thanks
     
  18. Oct 8, 2022
    timsresort

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    After wheeling the jeep this summer, we were less than impressed with the turning radius. I was aware of the lack of travel from the beginning, but decided to try it, and change it later if we didn't like it. Uh, yeah, here we are. The 44 has all kinds of steering, about 8" of tie rod travel, and the West Texas Off Road Redneck Ram hydro assist 8" travel ram does too. The problem lies with the short space between the springs that the unit has to mount. When I fabbed it in there I was only able to get about 6-3/8 of total ram travel because of the length of the cylinder case. I decided to try it, with no easy solution in sight, at the time. On the trail, all day I heard Nick squeaking the belt when he hit the limit. I tried talking to WTOR about a shorter ram, but no. So off it comes. This the WFO mount that I really would like to re-use.
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    To get the additional 3/4" travel needed in each direction, I played with a template that would slightly cantilever the mount over the top of the spring. After some mock-up, I came up with a plan that cocks it back to plumb to clear the spring. Cut, trim, new eyes at an angle.
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    Ol Fogie

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    Man you guys are some serious fabricators!
     
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  20. Oct 9, 2022
    timsresort

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    Got the modified bracket tacked on the axle tube, temporarily connected the cylinder, checked travel. The modification got me 7-3/4" total ram travel, from 6-3/8". This is only 1/8" in each direction less than what the box has, and I think I would rather have the ram run out of travel, than have it trying to push the box past its limit.
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    I also notched the spring plate to get it in there tight.
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    The ubolt passes through a notch in the bracket.
    Hard to see, but the angle is much better with this little modification of only 3/4". Final welded it, painted.
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    Now just need to move the ram mount on the tie rod, and tighten everything up. But first, I am heading to New York for my son's wedding next Saturday. A big event, planned for 2 years, we are very excited.
     
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