1. Registration trouble? Please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom right corner of the page and your issue will be resolved.
    Dismiss Notice

How Do You Shrink This!

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by Allan, Dec 19, 2020.

  1. Dec 19, 2020
    Allan

    Allan 74 Renegade

    Olympia
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2019
    Messages:
    271
    These are classic enterprises panel, great panel but it was already a little warped when I got it, now post weld in it’s even worse, not sure what to do here. There is about a 10”x10 area on each side that need shrunk, it’s like they almost need relief cuts to get them flat



    71A6BC0D-898D-4E76-9C52-996DA8B616E1.jpeg 3E8081A7-3B42-4977-921D-F72F84F0D2B4.jpeg
     
  2. Dec 19, 2020
    Twin2

    Twin2 not him 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Virginia Beach, VA
    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2011
    Messages:
    5,422
  3. Dec 19, 2020
    PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Hills of NH
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    9,834
    Allan likes this.
  4. Dec 20, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Tantallon, Nova...
    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    8,126
    The method I've used is to heat about a 2" - 3" patch with a propane torch until it turns yellow (after going through the blue stage) & immediately hit it with a wet cloth. Work around the outside in towards the middle. When you get it right you can actually see the metal contract- Very Cool :)

    You'll probably have to do a little hammer & dolly work to get rid of any final problem spots but the metal will now be ductile & very amenable to the hammer work; hammering will also restore the area's hardness.
     
    Allan likes this.
  5. Dec 20, 2020
    Allan

    Allan 74 Renegade

    Olympia
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2019
    Messages:
    271
    I know that shrinking discs work too if in the right hands, just not sure if this is such a trapped extreme oil canning that it needs the extreme measure, the torch?3/8 gradient is quite a bit
     
  6. Dec 20, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Tantallon, Nova...
    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    8,126
    Try shrinking the way I did it, iI think you'll be surprised how well it works. 3/8 sounds like a lot but from you photo there's a lot of area contributing to it, shrinking each bit a little will bring it all down.
     
    Allan likes this.
  7. Dec 20, 2020
    Chipper

    Chipper New Member

    Westcliffe, CO
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2020
    Messages:
    29
    Another way is to use a small flame from an oxy acetylene torch and do several nickel sized dull red raises, then immediately bump them down off dolly and let them cool using a blast of air do them one at a time, then move to the next highest spot. If you can get a dolly behind you can then get a flat panel with off dolly blows. Just make sure the panel is cool to the touch between shrinks
     
    Allan likes this.
  8. Dec 20, 2020
    Allan

    Allan 74 Renegade

    Olympia
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2019
    Messages:
    271
    Thank you!
     
  9. Dec 20, 2020
    timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Medford Mass USA
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    23,596
    I would point out that Jeep's body work from the factory wasn't great in this era. And that area will be mostly hidden behind the spare tire.
     
    Chipper and Allan like this.
  10. Dec 20, 2020
    sterlclan

    sterlclan Member 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    exploring the...
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2009
    Messages:
    3,893
    I use heat and air start on the outside edges and shrink a little and see what happens try to make a few practice shrinks on some scrap it actually goes fairly well once you get the hang of it.
     
    Allan likes this.
  11. Dec 20, 2020
    Allan

    Allan 74 Renegade

    Olympia
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2019
    Messages:
    271
    Thanks for all the help, this is what I came up with, I think I I’m in bondo range, no more than 3/16.
     

    Attached Files:

    Fireball likes this.
  12. Dec 20, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Tantallon, Nova...
    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    8,126
    You can probably get that tighter by going over it again. Did you hammer/dolly it? Google "slapper bar"
     
  13. Dec 20, 2020
    Allan

    Allan 74 Renegade

    Olympia
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2019
    Messages:
    271
    Yes, hammer dolly, slapped bar would be great, I’m afraid to mess with it anymore, if I keep hammering it will it not stretch, oil can or otherwise?
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2020
  14. Dec 20, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Tantallon, Nova...
    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    8,126
    If you hammer it it will work harden at which point life gets aggravating but heating it up again will soften it right back up. Either continue with the heat/cold or knock down the high spots with something mechanical, my preference would be mechanical as you do want the metal to be stiff when you're done with it. Look up "on dolly" & "off dolly", some times the best approach is counter intuitive.
     
    Allan likes this.
  15. Dec 21, 2020
    52M38-73CJ5

    52M38-73CJ5 Member

    Wenatchee WA
    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2020
    Messages:
    155
    Hammer and dolly along with heat shrinking worked well for me. Doing the heat shrinking method with my oxy acetylene torch i flattened my drivers fender from 3/16"+ Bondo to around 1/32". I have a heat shrinking disk I had no lock with.
     
    Allan likes this.
  16. Dec 22, 2020
    sterlclan

    sterlclan Member 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    exploring the...
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2009
    Messages:
    3,893
    The off dolly method will tighten the floppy panel. Everything you are doing requires practicing. I have been “practicing “for thirty five years and still learn something every time.
     
    ITLKSEZ and Allan like this.
  17. Dec 22, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    Spokane Valley, WA
    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2015
    Messages:
    6,693
    This is exactly why I didn’t chime in. Just because I’ve done it, doesn’t mean I know how to do it. :lol:
     
    sterlclan and Allan like this.
  18. Dec 22, 2020
    Allan

    Allan 74 Renegade

    Olympia
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2019
    Messages:
    271
    Like you I know my limitations, looking at this panel when I started I thought no way can it be flattened, I proved myself wrong it really wasn't too hard to get it semi flat, now if I can just get the small highs and lows out without stretching it I will really be stoked!
     
    Fireball and ITLKSEZ like this.
  19. Dec 22, 2020
    sterlclan

    sterlclan Member 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    exploring the...
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2009
    Messages:
    3,893
    I often use a “waffle “ headed hammer to help with the stretching.
     
    Allan likes this.
New Posts