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225 V6 Motorola To 1 Wire Conversion

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Unkel Dale, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Dec 16, 2017
    Glenn

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    What is it about an ammeter that can cause a fire?
     
  2. Dec 16, 2017
    Rich M.

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    Non protected high current can produce high heat.
     
  3. Dec 16, 2017
    Glenn

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    Well then I assume that normal Jeep lighting being the main usage would not be considered high current and the risk would be greatly diminished, almost non existent?
     
  4. Dec 16, 2017
    timgr

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    The ammeter is a d'Arsonval meter, that measures voltage just like a voltmeter. Instead of measuring the current directly, it measures the voltage drop across a low-resistance connection called a shunt. This is Ohm's law. All the charging current for the car goes through the shunt, and the more current, the higher the voltage drop and the more the meter reads.

    I believe the problem comes when the shunt connections deteriorate and raise the resistance of the shunt. When the resistance increases, the voltage drop across the shunt increases, which limits the charging current to the battery. The alternator responds by increasing output to equalize the voltage between the battery terminal and the battery. The more current that goes through the shunt, the more heat is dissipated by the shunt. As the temperature of the shunt increases, its resistance increases, creating more heat. This is a positive feedback loop, and I expect it's why the ammeters self-destruct at some point.

    The main problem is that all the charging current must go up to the dash, through the meter and back to the battery in an ammeter circuit. This, combined with the voltage feedback in the alternator, is what creates the opportunity for a runaway circuit if something goes wrong with the wiring.
     
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  5. Dec 16, 2017
    wasillashack

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    What Daryl said, both times, volt meters and three wire alternators. Win Win!
     
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    Glenn

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    I haven't really seen an answer but for discussion sake were higher amp alternators or a higher charging rate than what a normal Jeep lighting system would require a factor in the ammeters burning up? Maybe a billion candle power off road lights were involved?
     
  7. Dec 16, 2017
    Daryl

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    Ammeters have been burning up cars since the advent of the alternator. More current flowing equals much more heat. Combine that with old cotton wrapped wire and you get a big ole car-b-que.
     
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    Glenn

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    I totally get the higher the current the higher the heat......I've seen insulation stop being insulation more than once.
     
  9. Dec 17, 2017
    Rick Whitson

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    Just my $.02 I put a #8 wire from the alternator ground on the back of the alternator to the battery ground on the block, just to make sure that all is grounded. I have a 100 amp, amp meter off a GM diesel on my garage motor, and the GM one wire I have pegs it after starting for a few seconds.
     
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