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Running Poorly At Idle

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by WorkInProgress, May 10, 2016.

  1. May 14, 2016
    WorkInProgress

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    I just found a chart for misfires at low speed only most of which I have already checked
     

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  2. May 14, 2016
    scoutpilot

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    Just out of curiosity. Do you have both 6 and 12 volt mixed together in your electrical system?
     
  3. May 14, 2016
    WorkInProgress

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    No this jeep is purely 12v and my other jeep is purely 6v.

    Otherwise I could swap parts to known good ones

    Unless the parts they gave me at oreilly are mixed since the boxes only said part number but werent listed as a voltage, my jeep is purely 12v
     
  4. May 14, 2016
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Is it strictly an idle issue, as in it runs and drives fine? The only issues I have ever had that were ignition related resulted in not even being drivable.
     
  5. May 14, 2016
    1960willyscj5

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    How old is your distributor?
    If fairly old the bushing may be worn enough to cause the shaft to wobble, which will cause the rough idle.
     
  6. May 14, 2016
    WorkInProgress

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    Yes the issue is only during idle. It starts fine normal power no problems while driving whatsoever. If I keep the idle a little higher like pulling hand throttle couple knotches, then it idles higher but no problems. Rough idle also disappears when opening choke a little but I think that's only because it raises the idle too.

    And the distributor best I can tell is the original but seems to be in really good shape and I couldn't feel any side wobble in the shaft
     
  7. May 14, 2016
    PeteL

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    No ballast resistor on F-head.
     
  8. May 14, 2016
    WorkInProgress

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    So I just also replaced the modern style fuel filter I had installed between the tank and pump with another clear plastic modern style filter and new rubber hoses for it

    I also just replaced the ignition switch

    The jeep still isn't running right

    How does one tell if there is water in the fuel? What do I look for?

    I'm thinking my next step is to drain the gas tank and put some fresh gas in and try it.

    After that I'm thinking take apart the carb and soak and clean and put it back together.

    I'm running out of things to check
     
  9. May 14, 2016
    Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

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    Draining the gas is a good idea...Eliminates one more possible problem.

    I helped someone with their ATV the other day. I cleaned the carb and it ran better...Then I suggested new gas and it ran like a wild beast.
     
  10. May 14, 2016
    Glenn

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    Pump some gas or drain some gas into a clear container/jar. If there is water in there you will see it. Since you say it sits for periods of time I can't help but suspect something is in the carb and messing with the idle circuit.
     
  11. May 14, 2016
    Glenn

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    Listening to the video I didn't hear any misfiring.
     
  12. May 14, 2016
    PeteL

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    A can of Seafoam has helped cure or prevent fuel issues with my antique vehicles and small engines. It's a snake-oil that I've come to believe in.
     
  13. May 14, 2016
    WorkInProgress

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    During the video it didn't seem to be doing it. But then it started again after
     
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    WorkInProgress

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    The gas in my new filter and in my fuel pump bowl looks kind of milky not really yellow and not really clear.

    When you say I will see it, what exactly will I be seeing? Could you describe what water would look like mixed with fuel? Will it be like 2 separate levels in the jar that looks different than each other or what?
     
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    WorkInProgress

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    It's going to be hard to work on it more this weekend it's raining pretty hard right now and news says tomorrow will be the same
     
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    mayday

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    To check for water drain gas into a gas jar. Spin jar in hand to make a tornado, you will see the water seperate from gas. Looks like little air bubbles.
     
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    PeteL

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    Water in gas used to be obvious globs or a layer that separated and sank and collected at the bottom.

    I think the situation is more complex with ethanol blends which absorb some water, but not all. It seems there is sometimes a fog or milkiness. Why I use Seafoam.
     
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    Glenn

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    Yeah, different situation now with ethanol blends, but he says his filter shows milky looking gas, so maybe that's it.
     
  19. May 16, 2016
    timing light

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    when you has a miss or idle problems, one of two things--ign.electical or carb. if your distributor is old, governor weights holes have ovaled out- spring tension- should not have open coils- end play should 0.010 to 0.015 if over that trouble is just beginning, for every0.013 over you gain 5 degees advance on timing. look here first- then trouble shoot from there
     
  20. May 21, 2016
    WorkInProgress

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    So I have finally got around to messing with this cj5 more and today I notice that during the irregular idle, I look down the throat of the carb and there is a sporadic intermittent fuel coming out of one of the tiny holes inside the throat of the carb. but I'm not sure which circuit its called where its coming out. maybe that's a normal spot but maybe it being sporadic is because of the irregular idle speed and say its switching from idle circuit to high speed circuit etc an anyone tell me what circuit is this tiny hole

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    Its the tiny hole toward the bottom left of the throat right above the stamping 13
     
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