Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Focker, Feb 19, 2016.
Great Info, thank you.
Are you certain that is factory? On my '56 the four holes are all placed symmetrically, one at each corner.
Fireball, your PTO cover doesn't look original, but most of my references are '68 and older. The coverplates I'm familiar with are square with 4 symmetric screw holes in each corner, plus all the corners are radiused/rounded. As Pete questions, your screws are not evenly spaced, and some of your corners are square pointed.
What does your other CJ5 have for that coverplate?
On my '70 the plate is *not* symmetrically drilled for the screws, nor are the corners rounded. Unless somebody removed that plate, and repainted it, and then undercoated the bottom of the tub again (And they didn't), it's OEM.
The 71 has the same screw pattern (obscured by the bedliner):
If you look underneath, they both look like this.
Definitely original and definitely crude. It looks like Jeep themselves cut a circular notch in the corner of the hole and didn't bother to re-flange the trimmed area. Perhaps this came about with the T-14 transmission?
M38A1 of unknown production year, titled as 1965 (I thinks its was made by Johnny Cash, one piece at a time). Cover plate still has undercoating on screws so perhaps never removed:
That is the pattern I'm familiar with.
Looking at some build threads, Dne's '68 has the hacked hole and asymmetric screws:
And Truckee4x4's 65 Tuxedo park does too:
So Jeep started doing that at least as early as '65. It wasn't when the T-14 went in then. Perhaps it came with the V6?
I Love you guys for your " Forensic Jeep " work .
Mine has the same round hole, but the rest was gnawed away by an angry shrew. I do not have a PTO, so I'll just patch it closed.
My '69 V6 has the asymmetric screws and round hole in the corner, but my '67 F134 looks like the M38A1 cover posted above - square hole, symmetric screw pattern, nice rounded corners on the cover.
Well, It looks like another one of those running changes as Kaiser built our Jeeps. My best guess is the PTO cover plate changed sometime around the '68 model year? I'm going to crawl under my '66 (V6) just to see.
The reason might be because they realized finally that twin stick PTO units had a hard time fitting in the original holes sometimes. I know on my 71 that had the original hole with the little hole off to the side, my PTO twin stick still did not fit quite right and I had to loosen the whole body a little from the factory mounting and move it a little so the sticks would not rub on the side of the hole. And even still one of the sticks rubbed the side a little. And my PTO was a standard Korning PTO. After a while I even modified the hole a little so there was no rubbing. So I suspect that the factory changed the hole so it would fit all PTO's even some off brand ones.
Just my guess.
I always thought my PTO access was a bubba-cut...now I'm not so sure. My PO said he never had a PTO accessory.
Thanks for sharing photos all.
Here's my '71 access hole ...
...and the 'square' cover I made for it.
Pardon my dirt...still cleaning up from the UT sand dunes.
Great info guys!
My 69, 70, 71 and 71 all have the added hole cutout.
I'm sorting through my stuff I've acquired, and I’m trying to identify this tire carrier. Any idea what this would have gone on? It definitely doesn't work with a tail gate on a CJ5. Debating whether to adapt it or just put it in the classified section.
Well, my ‘66 CJ5 has the assymetric screw pattern along with the added circle cut for the PTO hole. This may be a feature that was added to the V6 equipped Jeeps. Anyone have a post-66 F134 CJ5 to see if this was only a V6 feature? My ‘64 Tux (4 cyl) has the square screw pattern.
Any idea what kind of wiper motors these are? They came in the spare parts box I got with my M38A1. I get nothing when I Google the part numbers on them.
According to this ebay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/151731288390?hash=item2353e3b946:g:gIEAAOSw9N1VksQx it looks like they are for vintage M35A2, M54, M809 deuce-and-a-half and five ton military trucks.
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