Attn: Renegade I owners

Okay guys, please help me understand something here. I can assemble an engine, bend up a rollcage, or build an axle from scratch, but when you start talking about numbers matching this and original equipment that I'm about as lost as a college girl taking her Beetle in for servicing.

My '71 CJ-6 has a lot of the Ren I stuff you're talking about (I think) but I'll be willing to bet it isn't a Renegade. The front framehorns are boxed from the main eye hangers all the way through the engine compartment to the framehorns, the rears are boxed exactly as shown in the photos, it has Sterart Warner Amp and Oil pressure (electric, not mechanical) in the dash, and as far as I can recall and tell from the meager photos I took of the stock wiring harness, that superfluous resistor attached with a sheetmetal screw to the firewall about and inch or two below the passenger-side firewall grommet screw hole.

The harness was chopped off just below the male connector, apparently when the engine was yanked and I've since put a new wiring harness in it. From my fuzzy photo and fuzzier memory, the wire colors coming out of it were: light blue, dark blue, green, red, yellow, some mystery wire that got fried when the Ammeter malfunctioned and took out the whole electrical system.

The VIN is 8405017-051380, it's got 4.88s (pretty sure the rear is open but haven't checked for sure - no diff tag but they usually don't last), and it's a factory V6 model. What can y'all tell me about this sucker?

 

if it doesn't exist in the books...

best chance of finding info on this is going to be tech service bulletins
there has to be a reason... anyone have access to or knowledge of tech service bulletins say from 1969 to 1971; maybe even early 70's
also there were publications called "preliminary service specifications"
when new models were introduced, prelim service info was given to dealers in this format, until updated or model specific FSMs were produced

 

and that part number is: 991175
Steve is the man !!

 

It should still be on the forum. Do a search for mystery electrical part or something to that effect. The thread was at least a couple of pages long.

 

I'm no expert
but I'm not convinced the frame boxing makes any Jeep a Renegade
and most of the other features, wheels, decals, gauges, oil pan, roll bar, etc
are easliy installed, moved, swapped around, added later.
so far, per beeser, the wiring is one item that would definetly be hard for any PO to add, make up, even duplicate
were there any Ren CJ6s ?

 

Oh yeah, forgot it also had 11-leaf packs on the front and huge packs on the rear. Don't know original count on the rears because they'd been messed with.

Positive the gauges weren't added later. The holes aren't cut out with a hole saw, there's factory paint on the edges of the holes, and both have that small square notch on the bottom of the hole.

I agree about any combo of options being thrown in the mix, and like I said, I'm just about positive it isn't a Renegade. Just wondering.

 

Really interesting questions Dummy. (You really have to change your monikier. It makes me feel uneasy referring to you with the current one.) I have never heard about a CJ6 Renegade but let me offer a possible explanation for why your rig shares some of the early Renegade features. First of all, I don't believe the beefed-up frame has anything to do with the Renegade. Rather, it is more likely that it is simply a heavy duty frame that was ordered special. A heavy duty frame was available and the FPM supports the distinction. I don't know why the factory made this option available but I suspect it was targeted for special applications like snow plowing and other more demanding service work. As for the gauges, my guess is that the factory treated the CJ6 somewhat like the Wrangler Unlimited today, an upscale Wrangler, and made available certain options that were unique to the Renegade. Or your CJ6 could've been part of a fleet purchase, e.g. Forest Service, military, etc. In which case, I'm sure Kaiser would've built whatever the customer wanted. jpflat2a is the one that should be answering this question. My comments are only guess work.

 

My jeep is a 71 the vin# is 830517372988 it has 6 wires off the con. also but is not boxed at the rear springs and has no skid plate on the oil pan. The colors on the wire loom are a large purple goes to starter gray ends by the oil sending unit and is cut off blue w yellow stripe ends at temp. sending unit cutoff light green goes to coil small purple goes to starter large red goes to alt.

 

what we need to surface is a sales brochure on Ren 1s
something that shows what the model comes with std; gear ratios for V6 were 3.73 std and 4.88 optional (we all know this)
factory locker in rear was an option as well
I don't think the number of leaves in the spring assys are tell tale
lots of non Ren and Tuxes had 12 or 13 leaf assys
interesting in the parts manual, have found a frame re-inforcement kit:
" re-inforcement kit, frame side rails (field fix)" PN 924798
for 3b and CJs with F4, no mention for V6
have to keep digging thru the manuals I suppose

 

Makes sense Mike. I have not come across any evidence either, marketing material or otherwise, that suggests one exists. But Dummy raised an interesting question about the fact that he has a CJ6 with the same gauges as the R1. My only explanation is that it is a result of some special fleet sale specification. Any other ideas?

 

somewhere out there is an Island blue 1970 CJ6 V6 OD 4.88s p/loks with an IH Cargostar (big truck) dash insert...full of SW gauges and SW speedo and tach
dads old demo.....
(and 30 years later somebody is standing there scratching his head with all this good info....) statement credited to Mike Boyink from another post........

 

I got the impression this mix-and-match dealer installed stuff was common. Chuchua's delivered a 304/TH400 equipped CJ-6 in 1974 or 1975, and they offered to change the T14 in my CJ-6 for a T18, using all factory parts except for the rear driveshaft. They also sold 401 CJ-5s ... anything you couldn't order but could make from factory parts was available.

 

Sort of like how our Dauntless' came about. Some guy in Salt Lake thought, "Man, a V6 would be sweet in this Jeep" He just so happened to work at Hayes Brothers Jeep.

 

I'll take all the pictures anyone wants when I get home or we can take pics at Windrock. I'm currently floating around the western Pacfic ocean. I can still contact the original owner of mine, if needed, but his family is kinda upset that he sold it. The one thing I'm missing for mine is the hub caps if it came with them. I've got all 5 15x8 KH wheels and 1 G70x15 Polyglass Goodyear tire. I plan on purchasing 4 more tires when I get the funds. I was wondering if there's a way to locate old sales records from 70 & 71. There should be records showing which VINs were ordered with the Renegade order code. I've got the tin order code label that was attached above the battery. I found it stuck behind the manufactures plate by the steering shaft. My original owner had all the paper work for this one but lost it in a house fire. I've been having a blast trying to unravel this mystery and hope everyone else is having fun too.
See Ya
Robert

 

I agree with timgr. I think it's like when you could buy a Firebird with Trans-Am options but it wasn't a Trans-Am unless you bought the whole package. I know the dealers added lots of options locally. Mine got diamond tuck seats, AM/FM 8track and interior lights installed by the dealer. Thats all for me folks, gotta get back to work.
Robert

 

Yes, I forgot all about the bulletins. That would be a great source of information along with the "preliminary service specifications" that you mentioned. Thanks Jim!

 

The only thing I've come across sales related is an ad for an R1 and of course the press release that is quoted in this forum. Jim - Do you think Kaiser/AMC would've published a separate brochure for the R1?

 

I don't know about Kaiser..
and AMC, who could say.....
they sold out to the French
there was probably some pocket sized brochure for salesman that had all the specs and equipment options listed for the Renegades; I doubt it would have been a 3 page fold out affair
if I am not mistaken, didn't the dash gauges carry over to the 72-75 intermediates as well?