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full float conversion

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 57cj5, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. Jun 21, 2008
    57cj5

    57cj5 Member

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    In converting my 57 cj5 to full float, there is an option of either hubs or flanges. Any advantage to either? I don't plan on towing my vehicle. I will be using for some off road, no rock crawling, and driving on the road to and from work, around town. Thanks, Paul
     
  2. Jun 21, 2008
    A Mandery

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    Biggest advantage to hubs is the ability to flat tow. If using Warn hubs, then you might be able to use Warn's Hub "fuses". Fuse acts like a shear bolt to protect other components. I have heard mixed reviews onn the "fuses".
     
  3. Jun 21, 2008
    DanStew

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    Why are converting? Main reason to covnert is for towing or strengthening up the axle for offroad usage. IF you are not going to really get into either then the stock rear axle would be fine.

    Another thing with the FF is you can covnert to discs real easy by using chevy caliper brackets or the 6 bolt CJ brackets.
     
  4. Jun 21, 2008
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I run drive flanges as they are stronger for Jeeping in my opinion.
    If I have towed the Jeep somewhere, then the hubs stay on the Jeep for that trip.
     
  5. Jun 21, 2008
    57cj5

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    My jeep has a 283 engine. Although I won't predominantly use it for offroad driving, I thought the torque from the 283 would best be served with a FF rearend for strength reasons. I also thought about converting to rear discs...Would it be the same conversion as the front listed here on the tech pages? SInce my jeep is a body off frame build up, I wanted to do the mods as it is built. I want to do mods that make the jeep more driver friendly, durable, and safer (ie disc brakes, dual reservoir MC, etc..) Naturally upgrading the rear to FF seems to be the best for the rear according to what I read in this forum.
     
  6. Jun 22, 2008
    cj6np435

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    Big advantage of a full floater is, if you break an axle you can pull the broken bits out, and drive home on the front,
    I've done it twice now
     
  7. Jun 22, 2008
    DanStew

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    The rear disc brake is the same as the front if going full float.
     
  8. Jun 22, 2008
    Boyink

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    IMHO the FF is overkill for the usage scenario you listed. Plenty of D44's have held up for years to the torque of a V8 with no modifications.

    And there is no real penalty if you pass on this for now and decide down the road that you'd still like it. You could source another D44 and build it while driving the Jeep then swap it in one afternoon. The job would only be marginally harder to do with the body on.
     
  9. Jun 22, 2008
    57cj5

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    I see. So that seems like a viable option, to use the original and wait to rebuld later if needed. It would save some money. I would then still need to upgrade to 11 inch rear drums for better braking. My wife would not mind spending less on the Jeep. Hmmmmm.... Decisions decisions.
     
  10. Jun 22, 2008
    scott milliner

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  11. Jun 22, 2008
    windyhill

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    Could also look around for a offset flanged 44 out of a 70-71 CJ. good and strong, 30 spline, so lots of options as far as lockers etc. Just an other option.:beer:
     
  12. Jun 24, 2008
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Ouch Scott!
    It can be done much cheaper than that but I understand the quandary you were in. Shafts through R&P ready to go from Dutchman are about $450 for the pair. With a little scrounging and homework (following the write up) you can do the whole thing for around $800-900.

    Haven't been ignoring you Warloch, but I noticed there already is a write up on the ff:). Mine wouldn't be too much different.... Nickmil
     
  13. Jun 24, 2008
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Aw Nick - I got the impression you had a way to avoid the machine work, but if not, I'll just pester you with questions when I get into it :) . Do you know if I can get 30 splined inner shafts through R&P?
     
  14. Jun 24, 2008
    mortten

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    Dan-You can use the same Chevy parts front and rear without the FF also. That's what I used.
     
  15. Jul 3, 2008
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    They will do 19 or 30 spline on the inner end last time I checked. 27 spline on the outer end.
    No way of getting out of machine work, but that only needs to be done to the spindles or pay ridiculous price for the Warn spindles. I'd get some oem spindles and machine them, much cheaper and as long as you aren't doing crowd-pleaser jumps they hold up just fine. The only real custom parts with the diy ff is the spindles and the shafts. Everything else is off the shelf (or out of the wrecking yard) parts.
     
  16. Jul 3, 2008
    scott milliner

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    Glad it's done. :rofl:

    Going too try it out this weekend. :)
     
  17. Jul 3, 2008
    nickmil

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    COOL!:driving::D You do realize we will expect pics!
     
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