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D25 Canter vs Pinion Angle

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Southpaw, Apr 10, 2008.

  1. Apr 10, 2008
    Southpaw

    Southpaw New Member

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    I am rebuilding my 56 cj5 and have been burnin' up the search button here. You guys are awesome!

    I am doing a SOA, and am working on the Dana 25 front end. I want to set my caster to 7 degrees, but the additional caster combined with the lift, significantly increase the pinion angle.

    I have read some posts where guys here are running 6 degrees of caster, but didn't say what their pinion angles were like (modified or not).

    I would like to know if I need to cut the ends off and re-attach them at the proper angles, or will the "stock" pinion angle be o.k.? I plan to do some moderate trails and I'm not heavy on the long pedal.

    Thanks
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2008
  2. Apr 10, 2008
    timgr

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    Look for "caster" not "canter." Canter is a way a horse runs, slower than a gallop but faster than a trot. Not "castor" either - that's like castor oil.

    SOA on a 25 seems a little odd. Why SOA? I'd skip the SOA... just a load of trouble.
     
  3. Apr 10, 2008
    Southpaw

    Southpaw New Member

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    Oops, I stayed up way too late last night! I knew that "canter" didn't sound quite right when I was typing.
     
  4. Apr 10, 2008
    trickpatrick

    trickpatrick Done? LOL

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    Heres a good base line pinion down 2 degrees.
    Caster back 4 to 7 degrees.

    I would guess the 25 if its like the one I had would be pinion 0 and caster around 2 to 4.

    The front pinion raises up a little under constant load so stationary down a little is good.

    SUA is better with lift springs.
    Little more $ but way less problems which saves more $ in the long run.:)
     
  5. Apr 11, 2008
    nickmil

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    I wouldn't cut and turn a 25. I like the 25, it's a decent little axle, but if you're going to all that work do it to a 30 or build a 44. Kind of like putting a $200 saddle on a $20 horse....

    I agree with the others, sua is a better way to go if you wan to keep your current axles. Nickmil
     
  6. Apr 12, 2008
    Southpaw

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    I appreciate the advice and I understand what you're saying. No disagreement here. I plan to eventually put a D44 in the front, but I haven't found a donor Wagoneer locally to get one out of yet.

    I have also been blessed with some friends who own a bolt and fastener store, a welding shop, and a machine shop; and they have all been more than generous to me with literally everything that they have to offer. So this project is costing me little more than my time, and I am thoroughly enjoying working on it.

    I know that it could leave me stranded, but I still want the experience of doing the work, learning, improving, and then upgrading my rig.

    I spent a lot of time searching and reading this website. I have learned tons! Thanks for all of your input!!

    One of my favorite quotes says that, "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience... well that comes from poor judgment."
     
  7. Apr 12, 2008
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Definitely can't argue with that :)

    H.
     
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