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trying to find some axle info

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by flipmeover55, Jan 16, 2008.

  1. Jan 16, 2008
    flipmeover55

    flipmeover55 New Member

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    i have a d25 front and a d44 rear w/ 5.38 gears. both are lincoln locked. i was looking into installing lock out hubs on the 25. the hubs list for 100 bucks at parts train. but im worried this is only for 25's euipped w/ lock outs already. has anyone run into this before?
    also im also tossing around the idea of swapping the 25 for a 44. i can get my hands on a chevy 44 outta a blazer. i know its 6 lug and wider but i have all tat covered. the ford 44 has the diff on the wrong side. is there a 44 that will bolt right in and is the 5-5 1/2 bolt pattern, and is the same width as my rear 44.
     
  2. Jan 16, 2008
    sparky

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    Not sure I follow here. All you should need is the lock-out hubs that are being sold. Why would you need to have them before if that's what you're purchasing?

    You should just have a drive flange in place now.


    I'd reccomend a D30 from an Intermediate CJ-5 if you want any meaningful 'upgrade' that gives you a tighter turning radius and is a bit wider so the Jeep drives better. But honestly the 25 and 27 are good axles, I can't see much reason to get rid of one aside from turning radius like I said above.
     
  3. Jan 17, 2008
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Never heard of this. Some early D 25's had outer axles that were threaded and the threads needed cut off to run some hubs. Otherwise pretty much a bolt on deal

    No. If there were there wouldn't be companies having to build custom Dana 44 fronts. You do realize to make the Chev front work both sides have to be shortened and that the Chev pumpkin is set up for spring over? It's a heckuva lot of work to do.... but it can be done.
    If not going over 33" tires you might consider the 30 front axle as it is a near bolt-in. If going larger then spend the money.....Nickmil
     
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  4. Jan 17, 2008
    flipmeover55

    flipmeover55 New Member

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    so if i bought just lock out hubs then the 100 bucks is all the parts id need. alright got that clear. now as for the chevy 44, 1 of my good friend works at the fab shop here in town. he's taken care of all the axle mods for me, we do a lot of business back and forth so were swaping the work for some other things. hes also custom making my driveshafts.
    if i did go w/ a 30 front would it be the same width as the rear 44? would i have to swap the rear to to keep the width right? what is the average price for a used 30 front? sorry for all the questions but i im new to the jeep parts interchageabilty. im a chedvy guy and know waht works on them. thanks for the help so far -*******
     
  5. Jan 17, 2008
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I already addressed this. ;)

    But no, read in the technical library section for more.


    Depends, lots of guys just want to get rid of them so they can be cheap.

    There's some information in the technical library about the swap from Lynn.
     
  6. Jan 17, 2008
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    The dana 30 front is 2.5" wider than the dana 44 rear axle. All jeep cj's up until widetracks had the same size rear axle as the earlies its just they were centered. Look at any jeep built from 1972-1982 and the front track is wider than the rear. The dana 30 is pretty much a bolt in with the exception of the spring plates, you can modify the stock ones, have some made or alter some of the stock ones for a 72-75 models. The front driveshaft if equipped with a factory v6 will have to be modified a bit.
    I run a dana 30 with disks in my 71 model. The steering is much better and I don't have to worry about the knuckles leaking oil n the driveway, plus the turning radius is much better.
     
  7. Jan 17, 2008
    timgr

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    The extra width helps the turning radius a lot, as do the open knuckles.

    The 30 is a throwaway axle to the Pirate guys, so they can be found cheaply through private party sale. The later ones often have a terrible ratio (3.31 or 3.07), but they'll have disks and can be a bargain if you can regear.

    Almost all cars and trucks have a wider track in the front than the rear (the Jeep pickups are a well-known exception). The difference between the 27 and 30 width isn't noticeable unless someone points it out.
     
  8. Jan 17, 2008
    flipmeover55

    flipmeover55 New Member

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    alright that is what i need to know. ill be on the look out for a 30 front. i appreciate all the help. i appologize if it seems i was repeating myself but im just trying to be clear. i hate having to redo things if it is at all preventable.
     
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