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Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by madmax79, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. Jan 26, 2005
    madmax79

    madmax79 New Member

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    Hi, everyone. I've really wanted to learn how to weld for a long time and now it would be really beneficial to the CJ if I could weld. One of the guys I work with said I should get a stick welder and just go at it. He says it is not too hard to teach yourself with a little trial and error. Most of what I would need to do is sheetmetal and small body holes.

    What do you guys think? Should I try it? Any tips? Any suggestions on equipment?
     
  2. Jan 26, 2005
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    MIG... to me thats the easiest. it is easy to work with sheet metal with a mig. learn to weld it is one of those things that helps with owning a jeep.
     
  3. Jan 26, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Sheetmetal, forget the stick and go with mig, a stick welder is hard to weld sheetmetal, even if your really good. I have never been able to make arc welding look good but I can do it with a mig or tig welding.
     
  4. Jan 26, 2005
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I've only done MIG, but it's been pretty easy to learn.
     
  5. Jan 26, 2005
    Old Bill

    Old Bill Aggressively passive....

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    IMHO, a good mig would be better for the sheet metal work. Get one that handles gas, and you'll be able to do a lot more with it. A stick welder would be great if you're doing a lot of chassis work, but might be a bit overkill for the thinner stuff. It also seems that many think that it's easier to get proficient with the MIG than the stick. HTH
     
  6. Jan 26, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    A small MIG set up will do what you are looking for, and is available for 110 V circuits. Get one with a kit to use gas shielding, you'll get better looking welds, and it will work better than self-shielding wire when welding sheet metal.
     
  7. Jan 26, 2005
    Mudweiserjeep

    Mudweiserjeep JEEP: Bouncy and Fun

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    What is th minimum size mig welder needed for doing roll cages and bumpers?
     
  8. Jan 26, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Although it can be done with the smaller 110V units, it would be best to get one that runs on 220. Hobart, Lincoln and Miller etc have good MIG units in the 175-180 series that will do the heavier work with good penetration.

    TSC usually has a Hobart Handler 175 with cart, hood and gloves for ~$650...
     
  9. Jan 26, 2005
    madmax79

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    Thanks everyone. I might start out with one of the 110V MIGS for cost reasons. With an old Jeep there is never much in the "available funds" category.
     
  10. Jan 26, 2005
    Jeepenstein

    Jeepenstein Me like Jeep..

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    Also pick up a book.. I just picked one up from barnes and noble, the monster garage version of "How to weld Damn near anything" which despite being a marketing tool is pretty good and written for normal people. I have been welding a while and it has taught me a bunch (mostly how stoopid I am)..


    BUBBA
     
  11. Jan 26, 2005
    MNTrailboss

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    [I might start out with one of the 110V MIGS for cost reasons.]

    If cost were the issue, I'd then go for a used 220v unit. You may quickly "run out of amps" with the 110 version if you get into heavy material for rockers, bumpers, etc. I bought a used 220 v hobart 75 which goes through 3/8 thick rather well -- with gas.

    If you are absolutely sure you will be under 1/4 inch then a new 110 unit may be ok. I'm not sure I've seen a 110 unit with gas, but I suppose they make them.
     
  12. Jan 26, 2005
    Boyink

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    Yep - I have the Lincoln Weld Pak here, with the bottle setup. Been happy with it so far.

    The costs of setting up the garage with 220 would have put the welder out of reach, so it was a compromise. Didn't figure I'd need to weld more than the 1/4" anytime soon.
     
  13. Jan 26, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    If you think about it a roll cage has way less than a 1/4" wall thickness so you should be able to weld virtually anything on a rollcage. Most bumpers don't have anything over 1/4" thick material, about the only thing on a jeep thicker than what a 110 unit can weld is steering mounts and a few things like that.
     
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    timgr

    timgr Jeepin' Nerd 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

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    Miller is the premier brand. My brother has one of these: http://www.millerwelds.com/products/mig/millermatic_135/
    Bought it to do body work on his TR3. I think he bought the Miller because he likes quality tools... It's the least expensive Miller - I've read that Hobart is the same manufacturer with a less expensive gun.
     
  15. Jan 26, 2005
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Been welding since the 70's and am now teaching my boys. MIG is the way to go - most stick burns through so I used gas on body metal till I got my MillerMatic 175. Liked it better than the others as it has infinite adjustments for voltage and speed. If you can swing the 220 do it. You may never max the weld thickness, but the duty cycle will get you on big projects.

    I am still working on teaching my arm to NOT move down while welding... Somthing about old dogs :D
     
  16. Jan 26, 2005
    manden68

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    zed

    zed Iowa- Gateway to Nebraska

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    a book i found is "welder's handbook" by richard finch isbn is 1-55788-264-9

    about $18 at lowes but have seen many other places since then. actually pretty decent and up to date.

    i'm still a crappy welder so far but that's my fault not the book's :D
     
  18. Jan 26, 2005
    66cj5

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    check out the scratch and dent section at your local welding supply. also don't rule out used machines. would get a power supply (then you can stick or tig/mig) w/300 amp capticity on 220v. or go 110v and upgrade as your skills improve. also you might check out community college for welding classes.
     
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    campwillys

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    I bought a campbell Hausfeld 105 or whatever its called for 150.00 delivered off ebay a couple years ago.It was a reconditioned unit I believe. No problems with it so far.It came with the regulator for gas but I have only used tthe fluxwire with it and it does the job nicely as long as ubder 1/4 inch.
     
  20. Jan 27, 2005
    madmax79

    madmax79 New Member

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    I tried to find a community college or tech school with welding classes and the closest one is an hour away AND the only evening class starts 30 minutes after I get off work. I would need diplomatic immunity from speeding or a miracle from my boss to be able to take a class.
     

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