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Warloch's 63 Cj5 Build

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Warloch, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Dec 18, 2019
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Next Up-Date - specifically the 'end of the manual Saginaw in the 3B'... Especially detailed for those wanting to keep a 'stock look' - well as close as I could and replace the normally worn out Ross parts with good stuff.

    The final piece of the front work was to figure where the support bearing needed to go. You have to put one in as I used 2 knuckles to get things to fit and flow nice.

    From there I switched to building the 'Adapter' to fit a stock steering wheel on the Speedway Column. The column comes with a 'quick disconnect hub' (though the pin on this one was broken - it comes with a bolt setup too and that is recommended for 'highway use'). My first step was to set the mounting bolts on a pattern and use them to triangulate the center I needed for the plate. The plate is 3/8" thick - more than required, but what I had on hand that would be nice and thick to support the welding on.

    The center is 15/16" and allowed a nice slip fit of the cut down column out of the Ross Steering shaft. I cleaned up the splines and threads (20NF) so I could use the stock nut and cover as well. I held it centered and square with 3 90 degree magnets. Spot welded, then went back and did back to front.
    The back was flap wheeled smooth to clear and make sure it mounted to the hub clean.

    I don't know about you guys, but the stock wheel is normally a HUGE PITA to take off. I cut the column on this one to remove it since I knew I was not keeping it any how. They come off back wards like butter :sneak:. To that point, I made sure I left room to get a wrench between the wheel and hub so it could be pulled like that if needed. My recommendation to Jim is to just glue some welting in there as most Grant adapters have a plastic collar to hide the spacing. This will let you pull it in the future if you need to easily.

    All in all - I think it looks pretty good. You would be hard pressed to tell a difference with a little paint if you want to go that far.
     
  2. Jan 4, 2020
    supertrooper

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    Good idea for a wheel adapter. Should blend in pretty good with a little black paint and something to fill the gap. Bolt for the quick release hud is definitely the way to go. The speedway column is a good column for the price but the quick release pin that comes with it is terrible. Mine was under sized and let the hud wobble and the pin could fall out on its own. Using a bolt instead solved those issues.
     
  3. Jan 8, 2020
    Long&Low

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    You do very nice work
     
  4. Jan 9, 2020
    Warloch

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    Thanks - I'll now get back to my regularly interrupted build of the '62 and 'hope' I can still get it done this spring.... sometime :drool;
     
  5. Jan 11, 2020
    Warloch

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    So today I put the '62 back in position to get back to it. While moving things around I decided I needed to do another mate up and check the final structure fit for things before I got to deep and had to redo things.

    I'm really glad I have this two post lift - it might not be full height, but is sure makes this process easy. Between it and the rotisserie, they have saved me a TON of time and fighting with things.

    Took me about 2 hours to move it all back, pull the rotisserie and put the front tins back on.

    I'm going to cut the front housing in the grill to better fit the V6 radiator. The tins came from a 4cyl so there is going to need to be some changes there.

    Also - since I put a body lift on, I'm probably going to just remove the stock front cross member and build a custom one. It will make the radiator fit down in better and accomodate the body lift for it easier.

    Only a couple little spots to fix on the front fenders and those tins look good to go.

    Firewall finish, Floors and Steering Column will probably be the next 'fitment' I look at.
     
  6. Feb 11, 2020
    Dne007

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    Hi, yes its me venturing away from my little build! ;) Isn't the Maxjax wonderful!! Thank you again for the rotisserie pics!! I'm attached to your build now;)
    dne' ;)
     
  7. Feb 17, 2020
    Warloch

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    So I got to go out and play a bit in the Shop on Saturday - Nice couple days between storms... Spent the first hour trying to clean my bench enough to use it for patterns and the 6' sheet steel I was going to work with.

    I was wanting to check the firewall and Wilwood pedal movement. Looks like I can push the D side down a bit more and then angle to the floor - this will help with pedal movement clearance.

    Next on the list was to start the Toe Panels - I need to do the supports too, but will probably wait to get it back on the rotisserie before I put them back in. I have a bit of torque on the floor and the inside by the Tranny needs pushed down @ 1/2" to square things up. Still figuring how to do that and get pieces welded in. I have them pulled with strap to the frame for fitting the panels.

    Patterns first -
    Just in case your wondering - I have a case of military targets. They are on nice card type stock and make great pattern material. Beats taping cut up old cereal boxes like I used in the past. I get the size and folds set in the pattern and then trace it onto my sheet steel for cutting and bending.

    I add the levels with measurements so I can go back and make pieces from pictures if I need to.

    Tins cut - not welded yet. I want to figure how I'm going to build the tunnel and supports first. I'll probably lay out some strap and small square tube for framing and then attach the sheet metal. I have a Zert tool so I can put those in for attachment points.
     
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  8. Feb 17, 2020
    Dne007

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    Is that a rack full of a bunch of steel? OMG, look how organized your spray cans are! I'm so jealous~
    However, you do incredible fabbing!!

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. Feb 17, 2020
    Warloch

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    Yup - three tiers of steel in the bunks and the sheets are stood up next to the bunks behind the Metric Tool Box. Parts on the shelves for builds and spare... 'stuff'.
     
  10. Feb 26, 2020
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    Are the channels different or identical to one another?
     
  11. Feb 27, 2020
    Warloch

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    The driver and passenger side channels are different from each other. Holes in different places and they are on different lines. They are 'close' but not the same.
     
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  12. Feb 28, 2020
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    Thanks!
     
  13. Mar 22, 2020
    Warloch

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    Time for an update - been spending a lot of time on 'work bs' and other projects along with weather issues. I can finally get some time in the shop if I can keep work calmed down.

    There is a bright side to the 'virus' issues, working from home isn't one, but no travel is :)

    Anyway - I've been thinking about my 'blank slate' for the Tranny Tcase tunnel and floor work. I'm going to build base frames out of 1" square and I've got some 1X1/8" flat to use for some frames to build and then bolt things to.

    Started to lay it out and did get the Eastwood Shrinker Stretcher with stand - Damn that makes it TONS easier than the little hand unit I was fighting with. You can see the 'test' corners I did and its starting to look like things are coming together.

    I've got a mental plan now, so hope to get it all shaped out in a couple weeks.

    I'm starting my 'yo-yo' phase of build when I'll be putting the tub on and taking it off the frame pretty frequently to mark and make frame/mount changes. I like to be able to take it off and put it on to make sure I haven't missed or messed anything up before I go too far.

    • Got the basic back marks and I know how I'll do the back valance mount as I'll copy what I did on the '49.
    • Got to clear things for the rear tank
    • Redo the floor support mount in the rear
    • Add a tongue flange on the front P side floor brace so I can finish the toe boards
    • Trim the fire wall and reposition the pedal clearance there as the motor fits fine
    • Clean up the center 'hump' and get tins on it
    • Cut the front cross member out and refit a new one (little 231 water pump issue :) )
    Once it goes back on the rotisserie I'll put the rear tire brace back in the rear fender and get back on all those holes in the tub.
     
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  14. Apr 25, 2020
    Warloch

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    Well - time for another update. Things have been busy outside the shop and only a little bit inside it...

    I pulled the tub off the frame so I could do some cleanup on it and get it ready for some final figuring to add the front support.

    First thing is to clear out this support for the floor to clean up space for the rear tank I'll be making for it.

    Then I'll clean up this front as I don't need the extra brake line support or limiter for the front axle.

    New Rear Floor support - sized so that the 5/8" puck will fit right under it and keep the body level on the frame.

    Now the front Cross Member needs to come out so I can move things and put the radiator where I want it. I will build mounts so the radiator attaches on the FRAME - I don't like them on the body and then when things flex you get a fan in the radiator...

    You can see how they are strapped and set inside the frame here.

    Because of the way this had a fish plate on it, I expected the frame repair to be in good shape...

    Then I got to looking at it closer - the shock mount isn't even on straight...

    Good thing I have plenty of spares...

    Now what is THIS booger mess on the bottom???? Yes, I'd hit it with the plasma by this pic, but still...

    I used my 'Extended Reach' add on for the Hypertherm Plasma I have - GREAT TOOL

    Helped me clean out the inside and I could see this hadn't been done right. They hadn't even 'fixed' the crack on the top or bottom side of the frame rail. Once I got the steel they slapped on, the cracks were still there, just like they were broken. Just because they have a welder and steel, does not mean some folks should make certain fixes. I'm glad I caught this - would have been embarrassing later when I broke again.

    So I did some proper straping on the top and bottom (didn't take pics of the bottom, maybe later). I cleaned up around the fish plate. Cut some frame material and fit it to lay over the top and strap it correctly.

    I've done them this way many times over the years and haven't had one fail yet...
     
  15. Apr 26, 2020
    Dne007

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    All I can say is Wow:watch:. I really like the extension on the plasma cutter (y) and the Eastwood shrinker(y)!!!
     
  16. Apr 26, 2020
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    Mine hasn't failed yet!(y)
     
  17. Apr 27, 2020
    Warloch

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    I'd forgotten I put a patch on your frame :D
     
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  18. Aug 2, 2020
    Warloch

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    Eh - no pics on this update. I've been working through some 'fun' medical BS and doing some 'simple' things on the side. I have gotten the toe boards and new supports in place. Also started to do some framing around the tranny.

    I've got another injection on Thursday - then I'll be able to get back on things in earnest (at least that's the plan). Need to paint before the weather gets too cold so I can finish the mechanical this winter and be done by Spring/Summer.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2020
    Warloch

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    OK - an update with pics on the things I've been picking at when I could.

    Got the toe supports in - I did the Passenger side one first, along with setting the toe boards I made in place. In the end I was off, just a touch and am fixing it now that I've got it back on the Rotisserie today.

    The Driver side one went on much better - guess I needed the practice as it's been years since I've done this. I think all the 'new metal' threw me for a loop too :)

    Anyhow, I wanted to then start to fit up the tranny hump section. My 'test' pieces from my shrinker/stretcher came out good enough to use, so I'll just add pieces as needed and fill it out.

    Here are a couple views of the toe boards in and the fitting I'm doing on the tunnel cover. This will be fitted with nutserts so the covers can come off. There is no reason to stay with the 'non-existent' floor pans, or even to modify them - since they don't exist.



    Today I was working on filling the holes - I'm getting pretty close to having the floors done and hope to finish the little PITA pieces over the next few evenings if work and smoke from the fires cooperate.


    And yup - its back on the Rotisserie. Once I get the floors finished, I'll get back on the many holes all over the body and get them finished up.

    I'm not sure if I'm going to put the tire support bracket back in - I put the fuel filler through there and its a bit of a PITA to work around. There is nothing like it on the Driver side so I'll think about it.
     
  20. Aug 22, 2020
    Dne007

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    Darn, that looks fabulous!!! (y)(y)(y)
     

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